Who's The Most Skilled Fighter In Boxing???

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Who's The Most Skilled Fighter In Boxing???

  1. Inoue

  2. Usyk

  3. Lomachenko

  4. Gonzalez

  5. Crawford

  6. Spence

  7. Ugas

  8. Canelo

  9. Ioka

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  1. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

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    One brave, indie, hipster soul voted Ugas. And it's not a crazy vote if you recognize that Ugas put on an absolute clinic on Porter while 5 vote Crawford and 0 vote Spence went life and death.

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  2. JunlongXiFan

    JunlongXiFan 45-6 in Kirks Chmpionshp Boxing Predictions 2022 Full Member

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    For being a 3 division champion with 15 (real) title fights, he's the most dominant boxer in history. Guy has lost a total of a few rounds in fifteen title fights, and gotten 13 KOs.
     
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  3. rodxd

    rodxd By Popular Demand banned Full Member

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    ugas can only counter at range doe, he shells up when u get in on him like he did vs pacquiao was got marked up badly and when you box him he gets frustrated and starts taunting and gidding on like vs porter
     
  4. The Townsend

    The Townsend Zeus. Full Member

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  5. im sparticus

    im sparticus There Ye Go. Full Member

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    So u class Heart, chin, durability etc etc etc as skills?
     
  6. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Skills are what you combine to win fights.

    The most skilled is the person who can best combine those skills.
     
  7. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Loma going away is the most skilled (of this list).
     
  8. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Usyk or Crawford
     
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  9. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Loma
    Usyk
    Bud
     
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  10. UniversalPart

    UniversalPart Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  11. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Loma rightly killing the poll

    When you factor in the level of competition he's fought - 11 world champions which is the third highest on that list but he's fought 11 world champions is just 18 fights, whereas Clenelo has fought 18 in 60 fights and I'm not sure how many Chocolate Tito has fought but he's had 54 fights

    His super impressive plus minus/rating

    The amount of punchers he's fought

    GRJ, Linares, Rigo, and Teofimo are super fast and gifted. All top 10 quickest handed fighters in the game and some of those are top 5, GRJ has long been considered #1 in terms of hand speed

    The huge physical advantages in terms of weight, reach, and height he's routinely giving away which as said no one else in the P4P top 10 is doing and many of them are rarely at a size disadvantage, whereas, conversely, Loma has only had a reach advantage once or twice max and it was only by an inch or so, rarely has a weight advantage and only once or twice a significant one, and even down at 126 and 130 he was often giving away significant physical advantages

    When Clenelo fought Kovalev up at 175 he would've been giving away 2lbs max if any weight at all and 2'' in reach. People acted like it was David vs Goliath but Loma is routinely giving away way more weight and reach than that, like 7-15lbs and 3-6'' in reach. And giving away that much weight down at 126-135 is different to doing so up at the heavier weights.

    How many times have the others on that list done that? Usyk obviously has for his three fights at HW but, again, Loma is doing it routinely

    To add some perspective

    Inoue weighs about 7-9lbs less than Loma and has a 2'' reach advantage on him

    Haney comes in on fight night at 155 bare minimum, that's 20lbs rehydration

    If Loma was rehydrating 20lbs coming in at what he does now on fight night he'd be campaigning all the way down at Super-flyweight. Hmm..

    How do you think Haney would fare against GGG who weighs about 15lbs more than him on fight night? GGG would spark him out with a jab.

    Or what about Haney vs Jermello? Yeah it doesn't end well for him at all lol

    Crawford weighs at least 162 on fight night, that's 8lbs less than GGG's average fight night weight

    Even though Clenelo and Crawford are in their 4th/5th and 3rd divisions respectively they're fighting opponents who weigh roughly about the same as them, sometimes a bit less, sometimes a bit more, they're not routinely facing opponents who are way heavier and longer than them. Clenelo is built like a tank and height is the only physical advantage he's giving away a significant advantages in

    Crawford has never been at a reach disadvantage in any of his world title fights, so basically in all his fights at the world level

    Now watch

    Loma 65.5'' reach

    Campbell 71'' reach
    Crolla 67'' reach
    Pedraza 70.5'' reach
    Linares 69'' reach
    Rigo 68'' reach
    Marriaga 67'' reach
    Sosa 67'' reach
    Walters 73'' reach
    Martinez 67'' reach
    Koasicha
    Rodriguez 69'' reach
    Piriyapinyo
    Russell Jr. 64'' reach
    Salido 67'' reach
    Ramirez 65.½'' reach
    Lopez 68½'' reach
    Nakatani 71'' reach

    Now do you get it?

    Loma has lost a grand total of 3 fights in his life. Three losses in a combined 421 fights

    One was avenged twice

    One of the others was a SD in his second pro fight when he'd never been past five rounds before against an 11lb heavier serial cheat who was allowed to foul the crap out of him all night by one if not the most corrupt refs in the sport and had the ref just deducted one point from them for their in excess of 50 low blows which was a third of their total punch connects the fight would've been a draw. But truth be told they should've had multiple points deducted or been DQ'd

    And the other was in his third division against a way bigger and heavier murderous punching extremely physically gifted, athletic, fast and explosive KO artist in a fight most had him losing 7-5

    Loma incurred one loss in 421 fights against someone who was about the same size as him and he avenged it x 2, the other two losses, one of which shouldn't be a loss, were against opponents at least two divisions heavier than him

    The reason he was able to go on an utterly insane run like that and display such hitherto levels of insane consistency, and is simultaneously one of the best defensive and offensive fighters in the sport, against the level of competition he's faced is because he's freakishly talented and skilled

    He made four world class fighters quit in back-to-back fights through nothing but the application of skill and technical wizardry for goodness sake, three of them world champions, two undefeated. Toying with excellent fighters like Walters and Rigo like they were bums. That is unheard of :facepalm:

    This is his trophy cabinet

    He won every single tournament he entered as an amateur sans one where he came second. Just think about that for a second

    One solitary silver medal in an ocean of gold

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    He conceded only seven points when he won the gold medal at the 2009 World Amateur Championships despite the fact he broke his hand in the tournament. Just seven freaking points in the whole tournament. The vast majority of amateur greats concede that amount in a single fight.

    'Even a broken hand couldn't stop Lomachenko as he won gold at the 2009 World Championships in Milan while compromised. In that tournament, he beat his five opponents by a 56 point margin, outscoring them 63–7.'

    Defeated Mario Aleksić (Bosnia and Herzegovina) 16–2
    Defeated Craig Evans (Wales) 15–1
    Defeated Branimir Stanković (Serbia) 8–2
    Defeated Oscar Valdez (Mexico) 12–1
    Defeated Sergey Vodopyanov (Russia) 12–1

    Yet again utterly toying with top fighters

    Valdez is a two-weight world champion and Vodopyanov was no slouch because in addition to winning silver that year he had previously won gold at the World Amateur Championships too

    At the following World Amateur Championships in 2011 he defeated

    Jose Carlos Ramirez (USA)
    Robson Conceicao (Brasil)
    Fazliddin Gaibnazarov (Uzbekistan)
    Domenico Valentino (Italy)
    Yasniel Toledo (Cuba)

    JCR was a highly decorated American amateur in addition to going on to become a two-belt unified world champ in the pros

    Robson Conceicao is an Olympic gold medalist and a World Amateur Championships silver and bronze medalist and should be the current WBC 130 champ after whooping Valdez's ass

    Fazliddin Gaibnazarov is an Olympic gold medalist and World Amateur Championships silver medalist

    Domenico Valentino is a World Amateur Championships gold, silver, and 3 x bronze medalist and a European silver and bronze medalist

    Yasniel Toledo is World Amateur Championships 2 x silver medalist, 1 x bronze and an Olympic bronze medalist

    The reason those fighters don't have more Olympic or World Amateur Championships gold, silver or bronze medals is because Loma is the one who beat them in some of their losses in those major championships

    And that was up at lightweight where everyone was much naturally bigger than him

    'Lomachenko won gold at the 2008 Olympic Games in Beijing and avenged his 2007 World Championship defeat to rival and reigning world champion, Selimov, in the first round. He beat his five opponents by an astonishing 45 point margin, outscoring them 58–13, en route to his first gold medal at the senior level. He was subsequently named the outstanding boxer of the tournament and awarded the Val Barker Trophy. His dominant run was described by one historian as "probably the most impressive streak in Olympic boxing ever."

    Additionally, he won gold again that year to also become continental champion at the European Championships in Liverpool, conceding just 4 points against his four opponents

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  12. im sparticus

    im sparticus There Ye Go. Full Member

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    So anyone with high skill level can't take a loss then ?
     
  13. lufcrazy

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    That's not what I said, but if that's what you believe that's on you.
     
  14. im sparticus

    im sparticus There Ye Go. Full Member

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    Ok. That's how it seemed to come across.
    No worrys.
     
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  15. lufcrazy

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    Mathematically speaking he isn't killing the poll. Most people have voted he isn't the most skilled.