Who in the top 10 is routinely giving away the kind of physical advantages Loma is? Being outweighed by close to 2, 3 or even 4 divisions last time out And just under six inches in reach How many times have these fighters been out weighed by close to 2, 2, 3 or 4 divisions and given away just under six inches in reach? Usyk Crawford Inoue Spence Clenelo Bivol Taylor Haney Twink Jermello Obviously Usyk is giving away huge physical advantages up at HW but he's only had 4 fights up there Inoue gave away huge physical advantages to McDonnell but nothing close to that much before or since Crawford never been at a reach disadvantage in any of his world title fights and he's often been the bigger man, rarely the smaller one and he sure as hell ain't been outweighed by close to 2, 3 or 4 divisions like Loma Spence has been cleaning out 147 of all its career 140 pounders and has only fought one career 147 pounder world champion since winning his first world title six years ago and he won that title off Brook who is the only other career 147 pounder world champ he's fought in his career so obviously not him either Clenelo? Yeah he's fought bigger guys but even up at 175 he was only giving away a couple of pounds and 2'' in reach to Kovalev and 3-5lbs max and 1.5'' in reach against against Bivol. He's very thick-set and powerful and he's breaking the bones and faces of SMWs/huge SMWs Taylor? Nope Haney? He's literally never fought a single world champion his size, let alone bigger or way bigger. Kambosos would easily be the closest but still not close. He's much bigger than all these world champions he's fought and way bigger than Loma Reach Loma 65½'' Walters 73'' Haney 71'' Commey 71'' Campbell 71'' Nakatani 71'' Pedraza 70½'' Linares 69'' Ortiz 69'' Rodriguez 69'' Teofimo 68½'' Rigo 68'' Salido 67'' Marriaga 67'' Sosa 67'' Crolla 67'' Martinez 67'' Ramirez 65½'' Russell Jr. 64'' Usyk 78'' AJ 82'' Hunter 79½″ Huck 77″ Gassiev 76″ Briedis 75″ Glowacki 75″ Chisora 74'' Bellew 74″ Mchunu 72½ Inoue 67½'' McDonnell 71½″ Boyeaux 69½″ Nonito 68½'' Nieves 68½″ Kono 67½″ Jarupianlerd 67″ Parrenas 67″ Taguci 67″ Rodriguez 66½″ Carmona 66″ Dasmarinas 66″ Rodriguez 65½″ Butler 65'' Maloney 65″ Omayao 65″ Payano 64½″ Hernandez 64″ Navarez 64″ Basapean 63½'' Crawford 74'' Postol 73½'' Benavidez 73'' Dulomre 73'' Jean 72'' Indongo 71½'' Egis 71″ Khan 71'' Molina 71'' Burns 70'' Klimov 69½'' Porter 69½″ Brook 69'' Avanesyan 68½″ Horn 68'' Lundy 68'' Diaz 67'' Beltran 67'' Gamboa 65'' Spence 72″ Ocampo 73″ Peterson 72″ Algieri 72″ Porter 69½″ Brook 69'' Ugas 69'' Danny 68½'' Mikey 68″ Bivol 72″ Joe Smith 76″ Salamov 76″ Rivera 76″ Zurdo 75″ Chilemba 74″ Barrera 73″ Richards 73″ Pascal 72″ Clenelo 70½″ Callum Smith 78″ Fielding 75″ Plant 74″ Jacobs 73″ Kovalev 72½″ Ryder 72″ Bivol 72″ BJS 71″ GGG 70″ Yildirim 70″ Josh Taylor 69½″ JCR 72″ Martin 72″ Vazquez 72″ Postol 71″ Catterall 69″ Rougarou 67″ Baranchyk 67″ Ohara (not sure but his arms look long) Haney 71″ Linares 69″ Kambosos 68″ Loma 65½'' Gamboa 65″ Jojo 64″ Jermello 73″ Harrison 76½″ John Jackson 75″ Lubin 74½″ Cota 73½″ Trout 72″ Rosado 71½″ Rosario 70″ Vanes 70″ Rosario Castano 67½″ Twink 67½″ Barrios 71'' Pedraza 70½ Ryan 70'' Fonseca 69½″ LCS 69″ Hugo Ruiz 69″ Rolly 68″ Cuellar 68″ Hector Garcia 67″ Walsh 66″ Gamboa 65″ Isaac Cruz 63″ Loma: ''It's always much more difficult when you fight someone with a long reach'' Inoue: ''Fulton is a technical fighter. He can keep his distance very well. I only watched one of his fights and I don’t think the Figueroa fight was his best, so I’d rather not say much more. If we fight each other, I think it will be a great technical battle. It won’t be an easy fight. Fulton has a long reach, and I think it’s about how (well I close) the distance.'' But obviously we're not just talking about reach with Loma He's routinely giving away a lot or a huge amount of weight too, whereas most of the others in the top 10 are either always heavier than their opponents, have often been heavier, usually weigh about the same as their opponents, or if they are sometimes or occasionally giving away weight it's more like just by one division. And if they are giving away a lot or a huge amount it's extremely rare or rare. And obviously unlike many of these multi-weight champs Roy, Toney, Clenelo, Mosley, Morales etc. and greats Loma hasn't jacked himself with steroids and PEDs to help him bridge the gap to campaign at the higher weight classes against bigger or much bigger men and if he did he sure as hell wouldn't receive their obligatory free pass for doing so many his critics and haters afford them No trying to weaken opponents at the negotiating table with catchweights or rehydration clauses either And he also doesn't have the luxury of fighting in his country all the time or 99% of the time like many of them or his peers from across the pond do with a stacked deck of a home ref and three home judges to ensure he gets the win via hook or crook Or the luxury of being deemed past his prime at an age where certain others of their favourites are deemed past their prime or shot despite them being way bigger and having campaigned in far higher weight classes than him He should only have 1 loss as it is and he likely wouldn't have any if he had a stacked deck of a home ref and three home judges like many of his peers often or almost always do. He's never had a single ref or judge from his country for any of his fights. And unlike many of these multi-weight champs who were massive or very big or the first or second weight class when he moves up he's actually facing bigger or much bigger opponents who do hold huge physical advantages over him He's only lost one fight in his life to an opponent who weighed roughly the same as him as he avenged that loss x 2. He went on a 403-1 run against opponents his size or bigger in the amateurs/WSB and I'm pretty sure you have posses an awful lot of skill to achieve something like that Loma still #4 on the plus minus stats even though he's giving away those huge physical advantages in reach and weight. And he uses legal skills to avoid getting hit not octopus grabbing, ducking below waist level, stiff-arming or running like a petrified gazelle And 2 of 3 the fighters ranked about him (Shakur, Benavidez, and Bivol are huge or big for the respective weights (I'm talking about Shakur at 126-130) they fight or fought at. Bivol is small for 175 but he's not routinely giving away the amount of weight and reach Loma is at 135 And then factor this in. Loma has fought 3 more world champions in his 20 fights than the three fighters ranked above him have combined SHAKUR STEVENSON +20.3 DAVID BENAVIDEZ +17.6 DMITRY BIVOL +17 VASILIY LOMACHENKO +16.4 GERVONTA DAVIS +14 NAOYA INOUE +13.9 SAUL ALVAREZ +12.5 DEMETRIUS ANDRADE +12.4 KAZUTO IOKA +12 LEO SANTA-CRUZ +11.8 When Loma was campaigning at 126 and 130 and not routinely giving away huge amounts of weight and reach these are the kind of stats he was putting up 'CompuBox’s Plus/Minus list with a connect percentage differential of +20.9 — marking the highest rating since Floyd Mayweather (+24.5). The Plus/Minus differential takes into account a boxers percentage of punches landed minus the percentage of punches landed on them. As of right now, the top 10 fighters in the Plus/Minus category are as follows: Vasyl Lomachenko (+20.9) Gennady Golovkin (+15.1) Andre Ward (+15.1) Erislandy Lara (+14.4) Naoya Inoue (+14) Terence Crawford (+12.1) Lamont Peterson (+11.7) Juan Francisco Estrada (+11.6) Roman Gonzalez (+11.6) Adrien Broner (+11) Taking a look strictly at the defensive aspect, Lomachenko also rates #1 on opponents total connect percentage against, putting him even above the defensive wizard in Guillermo Rigondeaux. The top 10 in the category goes like this: Vasyl Lomachenko (16.1%) Guillermo Rigondeaux (16.8%) Erislandy Lara (19.1%) Terence Crawford (20.9%) Juan Francisco Estrada (21.3%) Arthur Abraham (21.5%) Naoya Inoue (21.9%) Andre Ward (22%) Wladimir Klitschko (22.3%) Carlos Cuadras (22.4%) This stat is pretty interesting considering that Lomachenko fights more offensively than RIgondeaux, which in theory should make him more vulnerable to an opponent’s counter attack. Lomachenko averages about 10 more punches thrown per round than does the Rigonadeaux (59.5 - 49.4), while Lomachenko also nearly doubles Rigondeaux’s average punches landed per round (22 - 11.6). Considering how highly Rigondeaux’s boxing skills are held, the fact that Lomachenko can be more effective both offensively and defensively is pretty darn impressive. It should be noted, however, that Rigondeaux still occupies the #1 position when it comes to strictly defending power punches. The top 10 in opponent’s power punch connect percentage is as follows: Guillermo Rigondeaux (19.9%) Vasyl Lomachenko (22.7%) Erislandy Lara (24.1%) Wladimir Klitschko (24.8%) Andre Ward (26.7%) Lamont Peterson (27.9%) Terence Crawford (28.3%) Juan Francisco Estrada (28.8%) Keith Thurman (29.3%) Carlos Cuadras (29.5%) He just beat the undisputed lightweight champion of the world in the vast vast majority of people's eyes in their backyard at the age of 35 despite giving away an obscene amount of weight and reach and it looking like a fight between a huge 147 and a blown up 126 and with a 36 hour weigh in to greatly help and increase the chances of his way bigger opponent. This content is protected
Excellent post Serge. This is some of your best work. The reach comparison between Loma and others is very convincing, except of course when you compare Loma to Mr Saul Canelo Alvarez. Both Loma and Canelo have been fighting at comparable reach disadvantages throughout their career. Allow me to add some more you forgot to mention to better illustrate this : Canelo 70½″ Callum Smith 78″ Erislandy Lara 75½″ Fielding 75″ Kermit Cintron 74″ Michel Rosales 74″ Luciano Cuello 74″ Plant 74″ Carlos Adan Jerez 74″ Shane Mosley 74″ Chavez Jr 73″ Jacobs 73″ Kovalev 72½″ Ryder 72″ Bivol 72″ Floyd Mayweather 72″ Austin Trout 72″ Josesito López 72″ Raul Pinzon 72″ BJS 71″ Shane Mosley 71″ GGG 70″ Yildirim 70″
Thanks, Shadow. No I didn't forget it was just that some of those stats were copy and past jobs (Loma, Inoue, Crawford) from a previous post and I had to mosey on over to Boxrec to do the rest which is a real hassle, especially given the problems I have with my eyes. I was more focusing on Clenelo at 168 and 175 in order to highlight the difference. I'm a secret admirer of Clenelo's skills believe it or not. He doesn't hold, run, duck below waist level or stiff-arm. He actually makes you miss via legal or more manly skills.
I'm still rolling with Loma here. Usyk the obvious 2nd. We don't get to see much of NI's skills because he hits so damned hard.
The usual suspects love to act like all that dirty stuff never happened in that fight. Salido hit him low over 50 times! 50 times… lol let that sink in. Also missed weight by an obnoxious amount.
Usyk and Loma. And it’s obvious. Some are trying to act like Loma didn’t start completely bewildering haney in the later rounds. Bewildered him to the point of panic actually. And haney was in many’s top 5 PFP!
Lomachenko of those listed: I would say Shakur but he doesn't have the resume to support him being mentioned yet over Loma, Loma showed it in the big fights
Beterbiev was already slightly past his prime, and beatdown, stopped and defeated a prime Oleksandr Gvozdyk. A guy who could slip, duck, counter, punch and move. And he was 3 inches shorter and noticeably smaller.
Usyk is all the way the size of a heavyweight - 191 cm tall, 198 cm reach. At this height, it isn't challenging to be 100 kg, but he preferred to keep it cruiser for his usual size advantage against his opponents and wait for the moment to join the heavyweight via shortcut. I understand the love for him and all the bias, but come on - there were shorter heavyweight champions than him even below 100 kg.
You silly man! Inoue doesn't overwhelm guys with power. He's not just powering through guys. He boxes his way to every single KO. The speed, precision, and power overwhelms guys, though.
Beterbiev is not smaller than Gvozdyk. A couple of inches shorter, couple of inches shorter reach, yes but not smaller. At worst they would've weighed about the same but Beterbiev was probably a bit heavier. Great fight and great win though.
Yes. No one else appears to have such a variety of skills and intelligence as Usyk. The way Usyk manages a fight is 2nd to none.
