Who's the P4P best fighter in the world?

I think if Penn was naturally 1-2 inches taller and 15-20lbs heavier, all else being equal, he would beat GSP. Thats just my honest opinion. He wasn't strong enough, or big enough to compete with him.

 

Of course he would, thats what I've been trying to tell people. P4P...meaning that if the fighters were the same size....BJ Penn is better than GSP. In the 2nd fight GSP used his size and strength advantage to take over.....a good big guy beats a good little guy.

 

I dont.

But its close enough so that I dont think there is a real argument. Either way.

One thing Fedor has by miles imo is p4p strength, fedor could lose 15-20lbs and the cut to 205 and he can outmuscle guys who are 250lbs solid.

Either way BJ is a close second on the murky p4p h2h scale.

 

I don't think GSP just used his strength. I think he used his superior wrestling which coupled with his athleticism and stamina never saw him caught in a sub.

 

Bologna. As if GSP was the biggest strongest welter in the world. Sure, he was stronger than Penn but he held Penn down and passed his guard. Apparently, during training, Randy Couture couldn't keep Penn down but GSP could because he has amazing skill.

 

Good points with Fedor being grossly undersized at Heavyweight. One thing that really csn't be denied is taht although Fedor has fought the best available to him at heavyweight, the overall skill level at heavyweight is not as rich as it is as lightweight or welterweight. There are no 220lb guys who can move and who are as well rounded as GSP, or Kos, or Fitch, or Hughes even. Many Heavyweights are great at one thing, and decent at the rest. It is easier for fedor to fight a guy like that then it is to fight a guy who is close to great or great at 2 or more aspects.

 

This is true and like I said tactically and strategy wise, team jackson got it down. But unlike guys like Jardine, GSP has all the abilities to implement a gameplan.

But you look at BJ, out of shape and miniscule not just in stature but in muscle mass, he freaking held GSP for a full round..and the cage didnt help BJ one bit. Guys like Alves, fitch and Koscheck went down imho easier. You put a body like Alves on BJ with his flexibility, gosh that would be damn scary

 

When ever I try and argue that GSP's size and strength had a huge impact on the fight, people get defensive and somehow and for some reason accuse me of saying that Strength and Size was the ONLY reason he won. It is very true and has been proven that skill beats size in jiu jitsu......but when you have a big guy who is only maybe a little bit less skilled then the smaller guy, that size and strength advantage may over come the small gap in skill. GSP is insanely talented, no doubt. But he is also insanely strong and muscled up and big as compared to BJ. You are simply limited in what you can do if it takes ALL OF YOUR strength simply to hold a guys arm in place. You can see it, GSP made it so BJ Penn was consistently strained and tense trying to fight him off for the entire first round. That drains you. And for arguments sake, lets just be honest with eachother. a 10 year old CANNOT arm bar me! I can sit on top of him and hold his shoulders to the ground and he won't be able to move. I don't care how much BJJ knowledge he has, some disparities in strength are just too much to overcome. That is an EXTREME case and a ridiculous comparison, but it does show that there is a limit to when SKILL just isn't enough to overcome STRENGTH.

 

There are 220lb guys who can move like that. I'd guess pretty much most LHWs come in at 215-220.

The thing with Fedor is that it doesnt matter if he was fighting guys that are well rounded. A good example of this is the fact he dominated Nog on the ground and got the better of Cro Cop on his feet.

I think you can safley say he would have beaten a combiantion of the two. But I do get your point. I suppose the thing is that Fedor is dangerous from every position against everybody.

The stat that he is the least hit MMA fighter just goes to show what a monster he is, because he is hardly defensive. He is just so busy dishing it out he doesnt get hit.

Also I think I would like to see BJ having bulked up a bit properlly against GSP, I dont think GSP is going to get sny stronger at WW. But if BJ trained properlly and really worked on his pure strength then he would have a better chance.

I suppose there is the difference between GSP and BJ. I could see BJ giving GSP some issues provided he trained properlly. I could never see GSP troubling Anderson under any circumstances.

 

Even if it were true that GSPs size and strength were the main factors contributing to his win, pound for pound GSP is stronger than BJ anyways. It isn't like BJ is some fitness freak at lightweight that is able to beat guys using superior strength and conditioning. If BJ was as athletic as a guy like sean sherk and people said it was size that made the difference against GSP I could accept it more. If BJ were a natural welterweight, he still wouldn't be as strong or as well conditioned as GSP is. There are PLENTY of natural welters who are nowhere near as athletic as GSP. BJ doesn't have the work ethic to be as in shape as GSP is, and if he did and was still so much smaller and was still being overpowered than that would be one thing. GSP is a better fighter in part because he has a better training mindset. That counts and coulda woulda shoulda doesnt.

 

Norris

 

BJ Penn is more athletic then Sean Sherk

 

By far :deal

 

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Yeah, BJ has never come in out of shape or gassed later on in fightsatsch. Sure, he is more flexible and is a great natural athlete but there is little reason to think he would magically be as strong or as athletic as GSP if he were naturally a bit bigger.