Who's the Smallest-Ever Fighter You'd Pick to Beat Current Wlad 6+ Times Outta 10?

Guys, Wlad almost had his head torn off by berely 6' Sam Peters ...

 

by punches to the back of the head

 

Peter is listed as 6'2, no? If Frazier or Marciano can connect Wlad is ****ed, I don't think anyone is contesting that.

 

He wasnt world class, and was only a 20 year old young prospect at the time, but Carmine Vingo was over 6'4 and Marciano put him into a coma. For what its worth.

Also Johnny Skhor, who marciano gave such a bad beating too he made him retire, was 6'5. Skhor was a rough and tough fringe contender from boston who had cracked the top 10 Ring ratings back in Mid 1947.

While these men were nowhere near Wlad's level, you can clearly get a glimpse Marciano's style was detrimental against taller/bigger fighters because he knew how to hit with leverage, and make himself a smaller target to hit.

 

Cleveland Williams, Nino Valdez, and Mike Dejohn, Henry Clark were all WELL above 6'2 and were all world class level heavyweights when Liston beat them.

Joe Louis was # 2 rated and 6'2 214lb

 

Disagree. All of Wlads biggest weaknesses(lack of durability, panic attacks, poor stamina) are all marcianos biggest strengths. Marciano will capitlize in this fight on Wladimir's major flaws. Even if Marciano doesnt connect on a flush Suzy Q, he will wear Wlad down into the later rounds...and wlad will have another panic attack like he did against brewster and purrity....and marciano will finish him off. Wlad will mark up marcianos face with his jab and sharp punching, but wlads panic attacks will come out sooner or later, and rock will feed off it.


My answer in this thread is Marciano

 

I do think Rocky Marciano does alot better against Wlad than Dempsey does. Marciano has the style made to break fighters mentally and physically in the late rounds, while dempseys style only lasted 6 rounds..Also after rewatching Firpo Dempsey where firpo knocks him down 3 times....It worries me to what wlads straight right will do to Jack. Jack had problems with Straight rights. Carpenter, brennan, Firpo, Tunney, flynn all either floored/knocked out/staggered badly dempsey with straight rights. Marciano in his low crouch using his leverage would be much harder for wlad to deal with, than a taller dempsey who stuck his head out and would be in firing range of wlads right hand. Rocky won't be.

 

Bull****. Frazier was a subpar athlete who had one skill (the left hook) and tons of heart. Great as he was with his supremely limited skill-set, he would have no chance against the mammoth Klitschko.

I really love how WK is vilified for a couple subpar performances whilst the likes of Jack Johnson is praised ad nauseum despite a career liberally sprinkled with disappointments. Perhaps if I wait 100 years, Wlad will be considered the greatest ever and have his own PBS docufiction.

 

Emanuel Stewart 169cm:hey

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0Hsi9LGnVU&feature=related[/url]

 

Haapoja 5'11 230lb and Brewster 6'2 235 lb

[url]http://www.boxing.fi/kuvatc/jhaapoja-brewster.jpg[/url]

 

I think Foreman was more durable, but not by all but that much. However, Frazier did not land that much leather on the aggressive Foreman. I think a key factor was that Foreman was allowed to physically shove Frazier back. Wlad does the same with Brewster in their first fight, with sickening ease, but is immediately warned. I don't want to pull an "it's not faiw! :|"-argument, but i'm saying that whether this be allowed or not can be have signifnicant consequences if Wlad would fight Frazier.

I'm surprised at those numbers, but you are right. I'd make the argument that Foreman was in great shape while 10+lbs of Frazier's weight was fat, but then again, most strongmen and powerlifters have quite a bit of fat. Suffice it to say that Wlad shoved heavier and probably stronger than Frazier-boxers around, and is taller and heavier than Foreman himself.

I still disagree on the second paragraph of this quote, though. I don't think Foreman was THAT durable and if he was, i don't think it was a key factor. Really, how many left hooks did he take during those two rounds. 3? 4? And they hardly looked like they had the amount of "snap" on it that they had when he threw them in his first bout with Ali or Quarry, in the mid rounds.


The lesser durable Ellis and Quarry got in their licks as well, but just did not have the bone crushing power that Foreman had. Frazier just took their best and came back stronger. Bonavena was very durable and while certainly no slouch in the punching power department, he was no Foreman or Wlad when it comes to power, either.

I disagree. I think Dempsey would have a better chance because of his "explosive", fast attacks and combinations. If he doesn't have Wlad out of there by round 5, then he's toast. Marciano usually needed a bit more time and paced himself better, but i'm not sure if that's going to help when Wlad is going to jab-jab-right hand him to death from (a mile) distance. And while i don't doubt Marciano's strength, i'm not sure how well he'd do in the later rounds getting shoved around by a man 8 inches taller and 60 lbs heavier, while constantly having to work very hard to get in range.

Frazier and Brewster are nothing alike.

First of all, Brewster has an iron chin which saw him get through a lot of tough fights. There is no way Frazier can take the punishment that Brewster did in their first fight.

Second, Brewster has big one-punch KO power whereas Frazier needs to wear his opponents down. Frazier does have a lot better stamina.

Third, Brewster weighs about 20lbs more and stands 6'2, not 5'11. Brewster may look as tall as Frazier because his opponents are taller on average, but Brewster is only one inch shorter than Ali, half an inch according to some sources which list Ali at 6'2.5". Here you can see the height difference between 6'6 and 6'2:

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Frazier's face would be at Wlad's shoulder height, which is the exact optimum punching position because you neither have to punch up- or downward.


As for "Brewster's fat hanging over his trunks", i think you have to wake up from that wet dream and look at reality that not every fighter heavier than Langford, Frazier, Marciano or Dempsey is a fat piece of ****:

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