Whos To Blame Pacquiao or Mayweather?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Nigel_Benn, Jan 8, 2010.


  1. SweetPea

    SweetPea New Member Full Member

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    What I mean is why are people calling this a concession? All PBF's camp (not even he, his advisor Al Hayman et al) asked for was for there to be stringent drugs testing. Is that really something that should be referred to as a concession? What has this guy got to hide? Why is it such a sticking point? Why can't he just say "fine, I'll do it"?
    His agent Michael Koncz said it wasn't an issue, but low and behold it was an issue - so big an issue for the Filipino that he would sooner walk away from the fight than prove his innocence of any infringement. Freddie Roach said “Yeah, we’ll do it but they have to do it as well. Manny fights clean. If they’ll do it, then we’ll do it,” Roach told The Philippine Star.

    But no, that wasn't the whole story. Manny or his advisers decided that it was a risk, somehow, to agree to random and relatively (for boxing in Las Vegas) stringent testing. The question is why? Why Manny are you unwilling to undertake these tests? What have you got to hide? What is it you fear? What are you afraid of Manny? :tired
     
  2. sdsfinest22

    sdsfinest22 Pound 4 Pound Full Member

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    ur trippin...u might wanna go back and look at the hatton and the oscar negotiations...pac is actually very hard to deal with..he gave a verbal 50/50 than backed off...than the muh fu34a had the nerve to play hardball with oscar....ur way off man
     
  3. RY35AN

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    I voted Mayweather for only one reason - the type of drug testing has never been required before. I do however, believe it's both of their faults in the end. Floyd started it with the drug testing request and Manny ended it by being stubborn. I don't understand what the issue is if Manny will test after the fight though. Would that win still count if he tested dirty after the fight?
     
  4. Abdullah

    Abdullah Boxing Junkie banned

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    Manny Pacquiao is to blame, plain and simple. I am a fan of Pacquiao and wanted to see him knock Mayweather out, though I didn't expect to. I thought Floyd Mayweather would win a decision, but anyway, back to the point.

    Let us dissect this situation for a minute or so. The money split was agreed on with no problem. The hard negotiating guy who calls himself "Money" didn't make an issue about wanting more money. The venue was agreed on, no problem there. The weight was agreed on, so what is the problem? Blood testing!

    Ok, I realize that Mayweather has no evidence that Pacquiao has ever taken any type of performance enhancing drugs. Unless you want to use his loud mouth father's comments about Manny being "on something" , but that wouldn't be too smart of anyone. Mayweather, Sr. is a lot like Mayweather, Jr. in that regard. They talk and talk about nonsense to the point that no one really cares what they say.

    So Floyd wanted the U.S.A.D.A. to perform Olympic style drug testing. Manny said no. Floyd compromised and said that the U.S.A.D.A. doesn't have to be involved. Then Manny said that he wants a 30 day cut-off, which is a joke. Floyd asked for a 14 day cut-off, which is fair. Manny is only willing to do a 24 day cut-off. 10 days difference? This is ridiculous! Just take the damn test Manny! Floyd is willing to do it. He was actually willing to do it all the way up to the fight. So what's the problem Pacman?

    In conclusion, Manny Pacquiao is the one to blame. Floyd Mayweather is not an easy person to negotiate with, but it wasn't his fault. I personally think random blood testing is a great idea for boxing. The urine tests have proven not to be good enough. Shane Mosley got by one. I have lost some respect for Mr. Pacquiao over this sitution. I still think that this fight will happen, probably at the end of the year. Though, questions still remain. Is Manny on something or not? I like to believe that he isn't, but you don't silence critics by suing your opponent in court. You silence them by taking the test and fighting it out in the ring.
     
  5. Sheehan

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    yea to be fair to pac I did read that arum wasn't telling pac certain things, pitiful on Arums part.
     
  6. AJAX

    AJAX war sonnen! Full Member

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    But yet he is very scared of this idea for some reason.....:huh
     
  7. SweetPea

    SweetPea New Member Full Member

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    Well the issue is that a test after the fight is not effective, the issue is that this type of testing has long been needed but hasn't been called for in such a massive fight, the issue is that the sport of boxing needs to clean up its act for the sake of credibility, the issue is if Manny Pacman has nothing to hide then a harmless blood sample taken at random prior to the fight shouldn't really be of concern - if he had nothing to hide it might be a little inconvenient, it may irk him a little but really it shouldn't make a difference to the biggest fight in history. :bbb
     
  8. MAG1965

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    Pacman's fights got signed. You can tell a guy with guts when he actually is in the ring fighting the great fighters. He had the guts to take on Delahoya in a fight most people thought Oscar would win easily. There was a game played by Floyd here which could have even been unconscious. He does not want a challenge.
     
  9. sdsfinest22

    sdsfinest22 Pound 4 Pound Full Member

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    "FIRST AND FOREMOST, NOT ONLY DO I WANNA FIGHT MANNY PACQUIAO, I WANNA WHIP HIS PUNK ASS":deal

    SAY WHAT YOU WANT BUT THAT DON'T SOUND LIKE HE "DOESN'T WANT THE CHALLENGE"...
     
  10. SweetPea

    SweetPea New Member Full Member

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    :fire

    Garbage

    He fought a washed up de la hoya at 10 pounds lighter than Floyd did, 18 months later. De la hoya was finished long before either of the above fought him (sturm won that fight), but he at least was at 154 against Floyd!!

    More garbage from someone that doesn't like the Pretty Boy:bart
     
  11. str1

    str1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Whos to blame? Both ******es! I knew Mayweather was a cherrypicking ***** but I didn't know Pac was that ******! Both are to blame. Well atleast Pac is moving and fighting a real Welter while Mayweather will try and fight Matthew Hatton.
     
  12. Doc

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    May is the one who brought the stupid testing into negotioations this fight was on until his stupid father and camp ruined it. Now PAC is at fault for not accepting the bull**** proposal of testing?? That is stupid.. May you little ***** for asking for extra testing.. You will always be known as a chicken ****. PAC will destroy all other WW and make you look like a *****. You are not needed, you need PAC. Watch your jealousy consume you, you ruined your shot.. Live in regret or agree to PAC's terms. Your decision.
     
  13. PIPO23

    PIPO23 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    And that's BS there are guys who would fight pacroid anytime, anywhere. Call em crazy.YES! Pacroid will rip anybody right now.With that shite he is pumping in his system.EASY work!!

    Every fight, Floy tries to get into fighter heads. He ain't got shite on Pac baby. Ain't gonna work.

    Not Pac he is not going to bow down to this kid it is that simple. He can carry on with his tantrum all he wants. No fight no money, money!! :bbb
     
  14. duranimal

    duranimal Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree, when the May date was ruled out then it makes sense to put it back rather than rush into it at short notice from a biz point of view, they just wanted everyone signed up then they could get the main promo product put together without haste, just 8 weeks to go is cutting it to tight, yer got to get everyone slabbering & in expectational agony:smoke
     
  15. PH|LLA

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    I'm not putting his guts into question. No doubt he is willing to step in with the best fighters available as evidenced by his resume. But he is very picky on little things and my guess is that its because of pride. He'll be willing to throw away a 50% split of a pot that he thinks he should be getting a bigger share of. But give him 52% and its all good. It doesn't make business sense but i guess thats cause his priorities are aligned differently.