Whose chin was glassiest? Hearns, Louis, or RJJ?

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  1. Eastpaw

    Eastpaw Boxing Addict Full Member

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    hearns and jones would have beaten the hell out schmeling.... hearns never even fought at heavy and he would still beat schmeling in my opinion. those stone feet and telegraphed punches do absolutely nothing for him h2h
     
  2. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    The former fact, should make you seriously doubt the latter.
     
  3. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    The worst thing you can say about Louis’s chin, is that it was not in the class of Jeffries, Ali, Holyfield etc.

    That aside, it was very impressive.
     
  4. Eastpaw

    Eastpaw Boxing Addict Full Member

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    why is it uneducated? do you think max schmeling would have been able to beat on holyfield or the klits like that?
     
  5. Eastpaw

    Eastpaw Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i just don't think schmeling was that good. you can say that joe louis was still pretty green at the time but do you really think he would've been able to do that to any other top 10 heavy if they were green? i don't think so.
     
  6. janitor

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    You might want to look at the opposition that other top 10 heavyweights were fighting two years after their professional debuts.

    They were usually nowhere near being world class, and often they were just journeymen.

    Based on this, I do not feel justified in assuming that they would have done better against Schmeling.

    Now personally, I do think that Schmeling was good.

    He was basically the best heavyweight between Gene Tunney and Joe Louis, indeed perhaps the best between Jack Dempsey and Joe Louis.
     
  7. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hearns

    See Hearns/Iran Barkley I and Hagler/Hearns, Hearns/Kinchen

    Jones went 13 yrs before he was stopped

    Louis only stopped once, by Schmeling, when he was still developing, until near the end of his career.
     
  8. Eastpaw

    Eastpaw Boxing Addict Full Member

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    fair enough, we can agree to disagree i guess.
     
  9. janitor

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    You are obviously entitled to your opinion.

    I will throw the following arguments at you, for your entertainment.

    A. Look how far Louis was into his career, and look at who other top ten heavyweights were fighting, the same number of months in.

    B. Look at the rankings of Schmeling’s opponents when he fought them, and look at the time frame over which he was beating these guys.
     
  10. Eastpaw

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    your argument is based on the fact that the time frame between joe's earlier fights were a lot closer and the rest of the top 10 heavies so i'd say you have a point. but louis lost to schmeling by his 25th fight which took him two years while ali took 4 years to reach 25 fights so you have a point. but my point was by ali's 25th fight, he already had two wins over sonny liston, he also beat floyd patterson, george chuvalo, and an old archie moore. lewis by his 25th fight had wins over tony tucker and frank bruno.
     
  11. janitor

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    Let’s say that we are both managing a fighter.

    I give mine two years to reach 25 fights and hit the best in the division, and you allow yours four to do the same.

    Perhaps you might think that I was being a bit harsh?
     
  12. Eastpaw

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    that would definitely be a bit harsh to force a fighter to fight the best in the division two years after their debut. i didn't say i didn't agree, i was just pointing out other angles to the argument.
     
  13. janitor

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    That is exactly what this forum is about.

    You might not change somebody’s opinion, but you can often plant a new idea in their head.
     
  14. swagdelfadeel

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    I disagree. I'll go out on a limb and say it was better.
     
  15. foreman&dempsey

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    it is between hearns and jones