Whose record is most deceptive when you look only at the win-loss ratio?

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  1. blagovech

    blagovech esbs #1 pedo Full Member

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    it was the first mma fight i ever seen i dont even remember how old i was :lol:
     
  2. Shogun Assassin

    Shogun Assassin Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I also thought Griffin deserved the decision over Guida last time I saw it, and Clay was lucky to get a nod on one of the judges cards in the Sanchez fight, clear win for Diego.


    Hendo probably does deserve a mention in that his record could look a lot worse, having won 6 split decisions in fights that I thought could've just as easily gone the other way.
     
  3. Rob_Floyd

    Rob_Floyd Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Round One: Easy round for Griffin.

    Round Two: Close round, but the edge to Guida. The biggest threats were Guida's kneebar and Guida's back control in the second half.

    Round Three: Very close, and who you give it to depends on what you are looking for. Griffin won the brief standup portion of the round. There was a middle period that was void of damage on both sides. Mostly just scrambling. The rest of the round, Griffin is actually more effective from his guard than Guida is on top, and that is something that is often overlooked. The only way I can see giving this round to Guida is if you put more weight in control over damage.

    29-28 Griffin, but a close fight, and I could see it going either way. Not a robbery.
     
  4. Haggis McJackass

    Haggis McJackass Semi-neutralist Overseer Full Member

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    Bisping has a habit of getting into close decision fights as well. I thought he edged Chael, for example. :conf

    :hat
     
  5. Rob_Floyd

    Rob_Floyd Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    One could say that Kampmann should have gotten the nod over both Sanchez and Shields. He probably would have already fought for the title if that were the case. Now, he may never get the chance.

    His record is already pretty good, but it would have looked great with those two scalps added.
     
  6. Rob_Floyd

    Rob_Floyd Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't think he has ever been robbed in the UFC. However, he was on the right side of a robbery against Hamill.
     
  7. Haggis McJackass

    Haggis McJackass Semi-neutralist Overseer Full Member

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    I don't think he's been "robbed" as such either ("robbed" is a very overused term IMO) - but he does have a habit of being in close fights that go to the scorecards. :good

    And yeah, he should have a loss to Hamill on his record.

    :hat
     
  8. caleb_forrest_g

    caleb_forrest_g Active Member Full Member

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    i think martin kampmann has a good record but i do believe he beat shields and diego sanchez. he always get the **** end of the stick on decisions.
     
  9. rusty nails

    rusty nails Tszyu for PM!! Full Member

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    MATT ****ING SERRA... 11-7 record but dig a little deeper into his losses and heres what youll see

    karo (came within a bees dick of a ko win)
    penn (pushed the best lightweight of all time all the way to lose a razor thin ud)
    hughes (should have been a win over the 2nd best welter ever if the judges had eyes)
    gsp (lost fair and square but keep in mind he actually ko'd the best ww ever in his prime before this)
    thomas (could have flipped a coin to pick a winner)
    shonie (was kicking shonies ass before getting caught with a freakish shot.
    lytle (was pretty much done by this point and had already beaten lytle in his prime)

    plenty of people won fights against serra but no one really 'beat' him other than GSP
     
  10. Haggis McJackass

    Haggis McJackass Semi-neutralist Overseer Full Member

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    Great shout. Exactly the type of post I was looking for. :good

    And you can't get any closer to a quick KO win over an ATG without actually doing it, than Serra did against Hughes. I was tremendously impressed with Hughes' survival instinct in that one, 20 seconds into the fight he didn't know what the **** was going on but he made all the right moves pretty much out of pure survival instinct. :lol:

    :hat
     
  11. HeGlassedMe

    HeGlassedMe ufc is the new pet rock Full Member

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  12. Travis Fulton

    Travis Fulton The Ironman Full Member

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    Randy Couture
    for all his accomplishments his record could be looked as average if you dont know the guy

    19-11
     
  13. the_bigunit

    the_bigunit Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Mauricio 'Shogun' Rua, 6 losses:

    -- Babalu beat Horn, Rua, Prangley all in the same day. NO ONE was stopping him that night.

    -- Coleman: Shogun broke his arm.

    -- Griffin: It was huge upset. Taking nothing away from Griffin though, he deserved the win.

    -- First fight with Machida: we all know that one should've gone Rua's way.

    -- Jones: Like anyone has a chance of beating that guy.

    -- Henderson: I had it for Shogun, draw at worst. (5th round was the definition of the mythical 10-7 round... Although 10-8 would've sufficed.)
     
  14. the_bigunit

    the_bigunit Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Maybe someone could make a case for Chael Sonnen.

    Kampmann comes to mind, very similar to Rua. Lost to Semenov at middleweight and in just his fifth fight. (Semenov was a veteran of 28 fights at the time.) Marquardt was at middleweight. I honestly haven't seen the Daley fight (heard he wasn't completely out?) Deserved the nods against both Sanchez and Shields. Although the Shields fight was close. The Sanchez loss was straight unethical.

    Josh Koscheck for the simple fact 21 of his fights have come in the UFC.

    Jon Fitch's 4 losses don't due the absolute level of dominance (under St. Pierre) that he had, justice.

    *Tangent: Welterweight is stacked.

    Jim Miller, losses (Edgar, Maynard, Diaz, Henderson).

    Nate Diaz, how dangerous he is with 7 losses.

    Maybe Cerrone but that guy just chokes on the big stage.

    Gleison Tibau doesn't get the love he deserves.

    *Tangent: Lightweight is stacked.

    George Roop. (Not saying he's great but he's sure as hell better than 12-9.)

    Jarad Papazian? He's never beaten anyone of note thought. He's fun to watch.

    Alex Caceres sucks WAY more than his 8-5 record conveys to the average fan. Nam Phan (ditto).

    Wanderlei Silva's record might look like **** to someone. Kazushi Sakaraba's record does look like ****.

    Speaking of records: who manages to clean up Royce Gracie's record so much? He seemingly gets a loss taken away every year.
     
  15. Rob_Floyd

    Rob_Floyd Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :huh