Whose victory was better, Floyd over Mosley, or Pac over Cotto ?

Considering he really lost that fight NO.

 

Top 5 wins by name recognition only.

I scored the fight for Clottey.

 

Where did I say it was easy??? :huh

Knockdowns have to be taken into account when comparing wins. Of course they do. You can't just ignore them. They are one of the several factors to consider when evaluating wins.

 

I scored the fight for Cotto.

Not top 5 on name recognition at all, Cotto got a horrible cut, and managed to outbox Clottey in more rounds despite a gruesome injury. I think it's a good win under the circumstances.

Other fighters, such as Judah, would have folded like a deckchair in that situation vs someone as strong as Clottey.

Oh wait, he did.

 

It doesn't tell the condition of each fighter. Cotto getting his ass kicked by pac then going to fight a guy like forman and wins quite easily is not a good indication of what he has left.

Neither is Shane getting schooled by floyd then going to 154 to take on another slick fighter who just so happens to be a natural middleweight.

 

well it tells the condition and their attitude in their follow-up fight. mora and foreman were fights set-up by both their respective promoters to make them look good, meaning a winnable fight for them assuming they are still at their typical best form. mosley's showing against mora is not the typical mosley we know and it could tell alot what he has left especially now that he is approaching 40.

 

Not disagreeing with you on the cut or circumstances. Pre-Margo Cotto would have dealt with Clottey without controversy. Fight was damn close and Clottey took over in the last few rounds, so it's hard to consider that a good performance or top 5 even if you have him ahead on the cards.

My top 5 for Cotto are:

Mosley
Quintana
Zab
Chop Chop
Foreman

 

Your attempts to make the Mora draw sound respectable are failing on this thread. We all know what Mora is - a Contender fighter who was hopelessly outclassed by Vernon Forrest, the time that they fought and Forrest actually took him seriously. He was handpicked to make Shane look good. The Mosley of 2000 would have buried the "Latin Snake". The 2010 version was poor vs him, that can't be dressed up or hidden from.

 

both great. if i had to choose i say floyd

 

I don't see a difference between "pre-Margo" and "post-Margo" Cotto at all. I do not subscribe to this notion that a bad defeat leaves you a completely different fighter, I think it's a load of bollocks actually.

Was the "pre-Junior Jones" Barrera a better fighter than the "post-Junior Jones" version, who beat Hamed and Morales?

Was the "pre-Vince Phillips" Tszyu a better fighter than the "post-Vince Phillips" version, who knocked out Judah, MA Gonzalez, and Sharmba Mitchell?


If Cotto had not been cut vs Clottey, he would have won more convincingly IMO. A bad cut affecting your vision is, I believe, a slightly more tangible disadvantage in a fight than a "post-Margarito" state of being.



Also, I don't think you are differentiating between what is a good performance and what is a good win. These things do not mean the same. Clottey is a good win because Cotto overcame a disadvantage and a top-class opponent. Cotto looked much more impressive vs Quintana, that was a better performance, but it is not necessarily a better win. Good example: Your favourite fighter looked superb in beating Gatti, and he was not so superb in the Castillo rematch. But, what was the better win? Castillo of course.

 

I'm not into this bull**** about Forrest didn't take him seriously. Forrest got beat in the first fight end of that discussion.

As for Mora being handpicked, you could be right but then again why would they hand pick a slick boxer? Shane has always struggled with slick boxers. You give him a sitting duck like margarito or mayorga 9 times out of 10 he scores the KO.

 

You answered it yourself, if pac victory against cotto was the better performance then mayweather's against mosley was the better WIN..

 

:deal end of thread

 

Over the two fights with Forrest, it was patently obvious who the superior fighter was.

Shane has always struggled with boxers, but I assume they thought the difference in quality would offset the stylistic disadvantage, as Mosley is a much higher quality fighter than Mora, hence our agreement that Mosley of '00 would have creamed Mora, irrespective of his perceived "slickness" (which I am quite dubious about anyway).

Shane struggled with A-class boxers (ie Forrest, Winky), but I can't see him struggling with a C-class one like Mora, when Shane was prime.

 

Nope.

Here are my reasons why Pac-Cotto was the better WIN:

The fact that Pac's performance was more dominant is one of my reasons for stating it was a better WIN.