Whose victory was better, Floyd over Mosley, or Pac over Cotto ?

How can it be end thread you jack ass. Cotto beating up Yuri is that special?

 

You must look at every fighter individually when trying to determine if they are shot or not after a big loss. Guys like Mosley, Barrera etc were able to overcome losses (albeit none as devestating as Margo-Cotto) and rejuvenate their career back to elite status to your point. There are also numerous examples of fighters to support my point, probably moreso than yours.

My list is based on 1. performance and 2. quality of opposition, which is the criteria you should be using to make your top 5 list. There is no way Clottey should be included. Make a poll if you disagree with me and let's see what everyone else thinks.

 

Raskolnikov put up some good arguments. he ended it up with the mora and foreman fights. both fights set-up by their respective promoters to get them back into the win column. cotto dominated foreman while mosley failed to impress. it show's how much mosley really has left since his last fight with floyd.

 

No doubt that Shane is not prime, i'm not saying he is. So we agree on that point.

But I also don't believe cotto is prime, after getting his ass kicked by margo he then got it kicked again by clottey and Pac, but then again maybe he is prime, he just never was that good.:think

I forgot why i highlighted your statement.

Oh yeah out of the two fights with Pac V Marquez who was the superior fighter?

 

Okay so if Mosley rematched cotto or fought berto and won? Would cotto be considered shot?

You cant have it both ways.

 

I agree Mosley pretty much has nothing left...but the beating Mayweather put on him shouldn't be taken lightly. For Cotto at 28/29, even though he's had a tough career...it's much easier for him to comeback even at 70% of what he was and beat Foreman. Whereas, Mosley pushing 40 and taking a beating...I'd assume it took a lot out of him.

 

Everybody is forgeting that Cotto had no trainer!

Also Pac ducked Mosely !


so u figure it out

 

ok it might be a short-sighted one but we can only go as of the recent one since they both have no fight yet. but if they do and mosley continued to show a low standard of performance, it can be safe to say that he is now finish.

 

Have you seen the first Barrera-Jones fight? It was devastating for Barrera. Especially considering he was a white-hot favourite to win, whereas Cotto-Margo was much closer to a 50-50.

Cotto's performance in the Foreman fight suggest to me that he has done what Barrera and Tszyu did, and recovered from his loss. I don't actually think he suffered any real ill-effects from the Margarito loss, it only appeared to be so because the cut badly hindered him vs Clottey, and then he was beaten by Pacquiao, who would always have beaten him anyway.

Very, very seldom is a fighter ever indelibly affected by a loss. Meldrick Taylor is one example of this I can think of. He was clearly not the same fighter after the first Chavez fight. Cotto does not exhibit this, as I see it.


I have no interest in polls on the General Forum, because I don't put any stock at all in what everyone on here thinks, to me it's of no value.

My criteria for evaluating a win is a little deeper than yours:

Quality of Opponent + Quality of Performance + Consideration of Other Relevant Factors

Thus, Cotto's win over Clottey is a good win because the cut has to be taken into account, it is a relevant factor which merits consideration.


It is silly to not include Clottey in Cotto's top 5 wins IMO. Clottey beat Judah don't forget. For me, Clottey is a better fighter than the likes of Quintana, Malignaggi, Torres, Corley, etc... and Cotto beat him whilst suffering impaired vision!!

 

Push

I didn't think Mayweather would TOTALLY OUTCLASS Mosley like that.

I didn't think Pacquiao would/could STOP Cotto like that.

 

actually, cotto took a more severe beating from pac than mosley took a beating from floyd. but yes it was their age that makes cotto able to bounce back easier compared to mosley.

 

I never said Cotto was prime though:

I forgot why i highlighted your statement.

I scored the first fight 115-112 for Pac, and I scored the second 114-114, so overall Pac won by 3 points.

I scored the 1st Floyd-Castillo fight to JLC by 2 points (115-113) and I scored the second to Floyd by 4 points, so over the 24 rounds I had Floyd winning by 2 points... a smaller margin than there was between Pac and Marquez!

 

It's a hard one to judge...Cotto was on the run for a good few rounds, whereas Mayweather was landing on Mosley at will for 11 straight rounds without reply. But yeah, Pacquiao put Cotto through the most brutal rounds when comparing the bouts.

 

Two that spring to mind straight away.

LACY and JERMAINE TAYLOR

 

I hate to copy but I agree with the dude who posted this:

mayweather over mosley and here's why.

1. No catchweight.

2. Mosley was the man at WW having destroyed the previous man Margarito who destroyed cotto.

3. Mosley got schooled for 11 rounds. Had one good round in round 2.

4. Mosley had not suffered a beat down in his previous few fights, compare that to cotto who got the **** kicked out of him against margarito and went life and death against clottey as well as many observers had clottey winning that fight.

5. And let me add that Floyd almost got knocked out in this fight. He was hurt and rocked but he bounced back and "DOMINATED" the top WW in the world without a catchweight.