Whose win over AJ is more valuable; Ruiz or Usyk?

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Whose win over AJ is more impressive; Andy Ruiz or Oleksandr Usyk?

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  1. acie2g

    acie2g Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ruiz, these weird euro stans are going to act like Ruiz isn’t the one who ruined AJ, but we all know he ain’t been the same since that fight​
     
    acie2g, Apr 22, 2023
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  2. MAD_PIGE0N

    MAD_PIGE0N ... banned Full Member

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    I'd go for Ruiz because the Mexicans are one of the best boxers, but never had a heavy champion. The answer has nothing to do with whose win was better or who's the better boxer.
     
    MAD_PIGE0N, Apr 22, 2023
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  3. Mickc

    Mickc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ruiz was a cherry pick who got the fight to make Joshua look good on his state side debut to American fans.Ruiz then proceeded to make Joshua quit after putting him down four times,nothing Usyk did even comes close as well as the fact that he was also expected to win by a lot of boxing fans who follow this sport !
     
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    Mickc, Apr 22, 2023
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  4. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    When all is said and done people will understand that AJ is just a glorified bodybuilder.

    Neither wins were THAT impressive.

    Fury will KO Ruiz in 1 round and slap Usyk to another planet. AJ won't even get a chance to get slammed by Fury because he gets chinned every other fight.

    everyone will be like "How did this happen?!?! Fury has no power?" because you're judging these men off how they beat a bodybuilder in AJ.

    Eddie Hearn lined these guys up for his manufactured robot and he still faltered. A guy on 2 weeks notice who is a great fighter but is easily easily shutdown by simple Wlad tactics. and a guy who is elite boxing talent and Eddie for some reason thought because he's a midget AJ could handle him. Nah.
     
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    miniq, Apr 22, 2023
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  5. Mickc

    Mickc Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I’ve said for a long time that Usyk no doubt is a special talent but too much is being made of him up at Heavyweight with his two wins over the flawed Joshua.
     
    Mickc, Apr 22, 2023
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  6. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    I honestly expected to see another gear from Usyk in the rematch and it just was not there. Fury finds gears when it calls upon him. Usyk has that tough fighting spirit counts for nothing in front of a giant and Usyk knows that. He has to move on Fury for 12 rounds and try to outpoint him which is so much easier said than done. His saving grace is Fury is not a natural puncher but if you're spending all your energy avoiding the big man how are you going to get off your own work. I don't think Usyk will go to the grinding stone even though it will be needed, it's just not the right tactical move.

    I want to see Fury bring back his Kronk jab against Ruiz and mix it up with his pepper jab to brutalize him. No point pulling a Chisora 2 again. Show the world what you can do. Problem is Fury won't even need to go into fight mode against Ruiz and will take pity on him from round 1. lol. That's how good he is.
     
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    miniq, Apr 22, 2023
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  7. Sks476

    Sks476 Active Member Full Member

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    I hate the saying "got lucky". Ruiz earned that victory on that night.
     
    Sks476, Apr 22, 2023
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  8. OldSchoolBoxing

    OldSchoolBoxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What do you mean "no he did not"? He literally destroyed Joshua. Knocked him down 4 times and made him quit, devastated him. Had the ref continued the fight, he would woke up in intensive care unit at the nearest hospital.

    Do you want us to the deny the thing which we all witnessed by our own eyes? It's on YouTube, go and watch.
     
    OldSchoolBoxing, Apr 22, 2023
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  9. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Usyk easily. There was something clearly majorly off with AJ going into the first Fat Andy fight which was patently apparent just from observing his ring walk. At best he was nervous as hell and that nervousness exacerbated x 100 when he got dropped after rushing in trying to finish Fat Andy shortly after dropping him.

    Fighting away from home in your opponent's backyard is that much more difficult for a number of reasons. Hence why so called greats like Dre and others never dared do once what Usyk does religiously at the drop of a hat.

    And not only was that AJ's first fight outside of the UK as a pro but it was his US debut for goodness sake, which as I've explained numerous times before is and can be a very daunting experience for foreign fighters fighting on a stage of that magnitude. And even worse AJ was obviously making his US debut in the Mecca of boxing no less ie. Madison Square Garden and he is keenly aware of its rich history as a fight venue and all the legends who'd fought there before him.

    AJ worships many of the American greats ad legends hence why he's always citing them and he's also cognizant of the lowly regard British HWs have been held in over there for a long time and how the US sports media and fans often dismiss foreign fighters as being hype jobs or merely big fish in a small in a small pond if they haven't proved themselves over there (FTR on a deck often even for world title fights stacked with a home ref and three home judges which doesn't ever happen anywhere else in the world)

    One is reminded of how The Gypsy Coward got dropped heavily and was getting his ass whooped all night by a featerfisted CW leprechaun half his size on his US debut prior to resorting to illegal tactics to bail himself out. Cunningham couldn't wobble a toddler with a sledgehammer for goodness sake. Embarrassing!

    And obviously, duh, an inactive Usyk who'd only fought twice in three years and one of those fights wasn't even decent sparring beating a way bigger and heavier AJ in his backyard in front of 65,000 very vociferous and rabid AJ fans where everything was stacked heavily against him>>>an active 268lb Fat Andy beating a nervous wreck AJ in his backyard in an arena mostly packed full of vociferous Mexicans who were there to cheer there man on in his attempt to become the first Mexican HW champ in history.

    Compare how AJ looked for his ring walk for Usyk at home to how he looked for Fat Andy. He was relaxed and brimming with confidence. And look at the size of the pro-AJ crowd and that atmosphere. Wowzers! Usyk is a very special breed of warrior.

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    Serge, Apr 22, 2023
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  10. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    "knocked him the **** out" and "made him quit". So, which one was it? Was Joshua out cold or did he just give up?
     
    Badbot, Apr 22, 2023
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  11. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    For lack of better words, I wrote lucky. You could call it flash in a pan moment.
    Ruiz got the short notice opportunity and walked away with a big upset. Some months later he arguably lost every round in a rematch.
     
    Badbot, Apr 22, 2023
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  12. DaRealJT

    DaRealJT Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What's more impressive: a 25/1 underdog winning, or a 2/1 underdog winning?
     
    DaRealJT, Apr 22, 2023
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  13. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic Who is ready to suffer for Christ (the truth)? Full Member

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    I voted for Andy Ruiz, for several reasons:
    - Anthony Joshua's first loss
    - IMO it is a bigger surprise that Andy Ruiz beat AJ than Oleksandr Usyk
    - In the fight with Andy Ruiz, Anthony Joshua was knocked down 3 times more than in his entire career
    - Andy Ruiz defeated AJ by knockout and Oleksandr Usyk by points
    - Andy Ruiz came back from a knockdown, received a terrible blow...
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    ...and then punched AJ in the ear (that punch changed AJ's career IMO); it's no longer AJ who knocked out: Whyte, Martin, Klitschko and Povetkin.
     
    ikrasevic, Apr 22, 2023
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  14. OldSchoolBoxing

    OldSchoolBoxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If the ref hadn't stopped the fight, what would happen?
     
    OldSchoolBoxing, Apr 22, 2023
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  15. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    Did he get "knocked the **** out" as you said?
    Or did he "quit" as you said?
    Which one is it. Make up your mind.
     
    Badbot, Apr 22, 2023
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