Whose "zero" was worth the most, i.e. why is Ali ATG HW No.1?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by ikrasevic, Feb 17, 2025.


Who wins and how?

This poll will close on Feb 17, 2035 at 6:51 AM.
  1. FOTC

  2. Ali Vs. Foreman

  3. Foreman Vs. Frazier 1

  4. Bowe Vs. Holfield 1

  5. Bowe Vs. Holfield 2

  6. Tokyo Douglas

  7. Spinks Vs. Holmes 1

  8. Lennox Lewis' "zero"

  9. Schmeling Vs. Louis.

  10. Schmeling Vs. Louis 1

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  1. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic Who is ready to suffer for Christ (the truth)? Full Member

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    FOTC is a more important win than Schmeling Vs. Louis 1.
    Schmeling's "zero" is not worth mentioning; Wlad's "zero" is the same.
    Bowe and Holfield took each other's "zero".
    Tyson's "zero", the biggest surprise in HW history, is not a more valuable win than FOTC.
    Foreman took Frazier's "zero", and Ali took Foreman's.
    Lewis' "zero", Holmes' "zero", Fury's "zero"....
    Whose "zero" is more valuable than Muhammad Ali's "zero" and FOTC?

    P.S. "Zero" = the first defeat of a boxer
     
  2. Ice8Cold

    Ice8Cold Hype Jobs will be hype jobs until proven so. Full Member

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    Not on the poll, but I'd defo have said Ali V Frazier 1. That fight was massive.

    Mike Tyson was literally the epitome of a literal monster when he was undefeated. The fact he was undefeated made him seem invincible. He looked like a monster, he fought like a monster, he was truly the undisputed champion and the number 1 P4P fighter then. Was the upset of the century losing to Buster, as he seemed invincible to many.
     
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  3. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It is on the poll tho. FOTC.
     
  4. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It is.
     
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  5. Ice8Cold

    Ice8Cold Hype Jobs will be hype jobs until proven so. Full Member

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    You are right - my bad.
     
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  6. Overhand94

    Overhand94 Active Member Full Member

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    I voted FOTC too.
     
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  7. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    My zero is worth the most! Kidding.

    Its not just the 0 its how you took it. This is why Foreman v Frazier. Frazier v Ali was won by a couple of rounds. Tyson nearly won his fight with Buster Douglas. Spinks barely defeated Holmes.

    Chagaev v Valuev is one I nominate.

    Greb v Gibbons and Tunney is the best combo for sure.
     
  8. themaster458

    themaster458 Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    I’m a bit confused by the question. Are you asking whose first loss had the most cultural impact, or are you arguing that Ali’s first loss to Frazier is inherently more valuable because of his status as an ATG heavyweight? If it’s the latter, isn’t that a bit circular—saying the loss is more significant because Ali is great, rather than evaluating it on its own merit?