Why “old school” kicks the **** out of “generation x”

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  1. thistle1

    thistle1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    WHY “OLD SCHOOL” KICKS THE **** OUT OF “GENERATION X”
    By Professor Chuck Marby/Ring Talk

    NO SCHOOL LIKE “OLD SCHOOL”

    Las Vegas, NV- I can almost hear the groans from the Generation Xer’s already…”Here’s another Geezer living in the past!” Maybe so, but give this “Geezer” the courtesy of being heard out, then make up your mind. Why is it that boxing is the only sport in which those that participate in it aren’t light years better than those who fought in the 1920′s and 30′s, even through the 1970′s, when the athletes in football, basketball, and baseball all have surpassed prior generations?

    YOU MUST WORK LIKE A TRADESMAN

    Could it have something to do with the frequency of fights? I mean, how do you expect to rise to the top of your profession when you ply your trade only once or twice a year? But, I think the reason goes even deeper than that. And it goes back to doing thingsOld School.”

    FIGHTERS WERE TRAINED BY “COMPETENT TEACHERS”

    I have already identified myself as a “Geezer,” but I’m really not that old…yet. I wasn’t around in the 1920′s and 30′s, even the 40′s or early 50′s. But the man who taught me how to fight (Lou Kemp) was, plus I can read, and I care enough to watch a lot of old fights. So, in no particular order is why I say the fighters today can’t touch the fighters of yesterday, and that there’s”No School like Old School.”

    TALENT POOL WATERED DOWN BY 17 DIVISIONS!

    1. Lack of talent pool. You go from eight weight divisions and one sanctioning body to seventeen weight divisions and four “major” sanctioning bodies, most of which won’t even recognize fighters from the other groups, much less let allow them to fight each other. Think I’m jesting, you do the math. Then you add on top of that, the fact that most of today’s fighters simply do not put in the time in the gym, much less fights, so the activity level alone is a major factor in their lack of development.

    FIGHTING STIFFS WON’T HELP THE “LEARNING CURVE”

    2. Meaningless records. We don’t have the fight clubs anymore, so the only way a fighter can make any money is to get on TV. The only way to get on TV is to have a perfect, or near perfect record. The only way to have a perfect record is (A) be a Superman, or (B) fight a bunch of nobodies. Guess what? Most records are built up by fighting far less than qualified fighters, which may get you on TV, but helps a fighter learn nothing! “Old School” fighters and trainers were more concerned with having their fighter face different styles, even if it meant a loss or more, so that they could learn and progress, because they knew there would be another fight next month, because fights didn’t depend on protected pugs with undefeated records. Thus the “Old School” fighters learned.

    ANYBODY CAN GET A LICENSE TO TRAIN PUGS!

    3. Corners without a clue. If I have heard it once, I have heard it a thousand times in a corner during a fight. The scene goes something like this. The fight is lopsided in favor of the other fighter, the camera follows the beaten up fighter back to his corner. The guys imitating real seconds jump into the ring (usually 10 or so seconds late), throw water everywhere except where it’s needed, and then give the following words of advice, “This is it! You’ve got to go for it all.” Then the schleps jump out of the ring, usually forgetting to even put the mouthpiece back in, and you wonder why their guy loses?

    TEACHERS LIKE RAY ARCEL, DON CONLEY, EDDIE FUTCH ARE GONE

    But the big thing, the big reason why “Old School” was better, is while you have people today who train boxers, who teach fitness and nutrition, there is no one around teaching the finer skills of the sport. I was taught, and a lot of fighters I’ve seen on film used their whole body to box. They carried their left hand a little low, they used their right hand to block or parry punches (You don’t even hear anyone use the WORD parry anymore!).

    VERY BASICS OF BOXING HAVE BEEN FORGOTTEN TODAY

    “Old School” knew how how to use their shoulders, to keep their left shoulder in front and forward. They knew how to stay balanced when they punched. My trainer had me walking in the ring throwing nothing but left jabs in the air for three months until I could do it with balance and leverage. How many kids today would stay in a gym for three months punching nothing but air?

    NOBODY IS TAUGHT TO FIGHT USING ANGLES

    And how many fights have you seen lately stopped on cuts? Old School fighters were taught that an orthodox fighter should always keep his face turned slightly to the right when he jabs, so when (not if) heads do collide, the side of your head get hit, and you don’t get busted up around the eyes.

    HOOKERS ARE IN BROTHELS & NOT GYMS

    And “Old SchooL” fighters knew how to throw a left hook. I haven’t seen a decent left hook since Smokin’ Joe Frazier retired and then Mickey Ward had enough. You do not extend your arm when you throw a hook! When you hook, your left foot and hip has to turn with the punch, all with the same motion. That’s where the power comes from. But today you see hooks flailing out like kites in the wind. And I won’t even get into the art of timing a punch, because if you ain’t Old School, you won’t have a clue, and if you are, you already know!

    Professor Chuck Marby
     
  2. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    great article

    good points

    love the jabbing in the air part

    many dont have patience or time to want to perfect the art

    just rush for the glory
     
  3. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Great article and every box fan needs to read this.

    Also I like the 17 division theory and even the one belt per division. It's be a lot more competitive and everybody will be fighting for the one belt.

    Welterweight division would have one champ in Manny and would have Ortiz, Bradley, Berto, Mike Jones, Khan ect. as contenders

    Middleweight would have Martinez as champ with contenders in Dzinurik, Williams, Cotto, JCC Jr. ect

    and you get the point. Everybody will be fighting hard to get a shot at the belt
     
  4. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    for those people who think Floyd is unorthodox. He's of the tradition, but not in the tradition.
     
  5. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    I say it boils down to the politics and business of the sport eroding the ability and opportunities for fighters to really absorb the proper fundamentals in their environments.
     
  6. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    imagine how dope welterweight, bantamweight, middleweight and lightheavyweight would be if the junior classes were merged with the originals. i'm not even talking about unifying belts or any of that. goddamn.

    EDIT: disagree with the left hook thing. I've seen some great hooks since frazier; leonard, duran, tyson, jones, trinidad, mayweather, de la hoya, morrison, holyfield..
     
  7. jeffjoiner

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    Amen!

    Best post I've read in a long while. I'm 35, but my dad and grandfather made sure I was raised Old School.
     
  8. Kingkazim

    Kingkazim Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Extremely true, When i went to boxing gyms they didnt teach me that part of throwing a hook (with the foot and hip turning with the punch)
    Funnily enough i learnt that at a Muay Thai gym from a Muay Thai trainer...

    Another example of trainers nowadays not being in the same calibre of what they were before
     
  9. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    WHat I think is boxing is less popular today in America than it was in the past meaning the # of participants isn't as large. Naturally, there won't be as many skilled people if the overall number is smaller.

    I think it's the ratio that we have to compare.
     
  10. Matty lll

    Matty lll Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You should've posted this on SB Nation or some other website. Very good read.
     
  11. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    :happy Great read.
     
  12. Justaman

    Justaman Guest

    Mind explaining your avatar?
     
  13. brickfists

    brickfists The Nonpareil Full Member

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    the way i look at is when there were only 8 weight divisions and 1 championship in each everybody had to fight everybody else just to earn a crack at the championship for example jimmy Mclarnin fought jackie fields, bud taylor, fidel La barba and pancho villa all Hofer's before he was even 18 years old so who was the best fighter was allways decided in the ring now thats not the case guys can easily avoid each other because they all hold a title so theres enough cake for everyone to have bite
     
  14. Bubby

    Bubby Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well, I got through it. Professor Chuck is full of ****!:yep And don't know nothing about boxing.

    "How do you expect to rise to the top of your profession if you ply your trade once or twice a year?" Bull****! Fighters today fight as much if not more than any of the old timers.

    Example the Heavyweight division today: #1 Wladimir Klitschko, 13 year pro career, 58 fights. #2 Vitali Klitschko, 13 year pro career (10 active) 45 fights.

    Heavyweight division 1974: #1 Muhammad Ali, 13 year career (10 active) 47 fights. #2 Joe Frazier, 10 year pro career, 31 fights.

    Heavyweight division 1959: #1 Ingemar Johansson, 8 year career, 21 fights. #2 Floyd Patterson, 9 year career 36 fights.

    Heavyweight division 1935: #1 Joe Louis, 7 year career, 21 fights.
    #2 Max Bear, 8 year career, 41 fights.

    1. "lack of talent pool", Bull****! There's more registered fighters today in each of the 17 weight divisions than in each of the 8 divisions in the 20's and 30s.
     
  15. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    :patsch