Why a Prime Mike Tyson beats Sonny Liston

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  1. mike foreman

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    You can also look at it this way....a prime Tyson would have stopped Williams as quickly and conclusively as Liston did and perhaps even improve upon what Liston did.

    But Tony Tucker not only went the distance with prime Tyson but prime Lewis as well. Its safe to say he'd go the distance with Liston as well.

    And, like Tucker went the distance vs prime Tyson, Eddie Machen went the distance vs a prime Liston.
     
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  2. mike foreman

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    He'd take too many clean shots while not landing enough of his own. It may resemble a mixture of Tyson/Holmes and Tyson/Thomas
     
  3. Vanboxingfan

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    So you're 29 years old. Meaning you weren't even alive when Tyson was on his prime. Of you would have been you would have heard pretty much the exact same fan boy comments from many many boxing fans that was until he lost. Now the loss itself isn't the problem bit what is a problem is how he lost in the Holyfield fights and how he reacts when someone stands up to him and fights. Prior to that you had guys like Spinks who were shaking in their boots prior to the bell. I swear a few of his opponents went down before they were even hit. Anyway if he was truly the fighter that everyone thought he was pre Douglas he would have found away to win at least one of the Holyfield fights. I know a 3 year layoff is no joke but Ali managed to achieve significant wins after his forced layoff. And it's certainly possible that a prime Tyson would always loose to a Holyfield type fighter. And say what you want about either Liston or Foreman they would be bringing it to Tyson for as long as the fight lasted and given that Tyson had a bully mentality and often doubted himself when he was in a serious fight the outcome is far from certain especially if these fights go into the later rounds. I'm not discounting that he couldn't win these fights but it's certainly possible that he could lose either or both of these fights. And don't think any of us haven't heard these exact arguments numerous times over the years, there's always a Tyson fan boy who pops up every now and then. Like l said if they had a round robin of h2h fighters l would include Tyson in that mix but who would win it a tough call. Ali has the best case, Lewis is in the mix as is Tyson, Foreman and Liston and Holmes. Other posts might include other fights. But no way is the outcome of any fighter a certainty.
     
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  4. GALVATRON

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    It still doesnt change what i stated does it? You can count cant you? Williams even had him hurt at least stunned at one point.

    special kind of stupid no? That's the guy who would use any Tyson fight in the 80's against him being he wasnt remotley close to losing. you dont even know what being green means either! :bash:
     
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  5. mike foreman

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    Paragraphs please......

    Oh I dont doubt they'd bring it but Tyson was clearly a much more skilled fighter, faster fighter who could match their punching power. Why would slower, less skilled fighters beat him? Skills pay the bills
     
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  6. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    It doesnt matter how old you are to use common sense . Hes actaully ALOT smarter than you and your laughable gang on here and thats coming froma 43 year old who HAS been around the sport...go away you fool.and USE paragraphs no one is going to hurt their eyes on such schitzo use of writing...i didnt even know what you wrote but i dont need to bc your posts are always delerious. i stopped at Tyson fanboy...lol
     
  7. mike foreman

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    Why is it when some one picks Tyson to win, they're a fanboy? Why isnt anyone ever called an Ali fanboy? Or very rarely, a Foreman fanboy?
     
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  8. swagdelfadeel

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    Even if he did win, it certainly wouldn't be easy. Your denial that Tyson would at the very least have trouble with anyone reeks of bias.
     
  9. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Anyone who states " Tyson fanboy ",doesnt know much about boxing....that i do KNOW . lol

    And it has littel to do with being a fan or not ,more that they are too dumbed down to actually look at why he is extremely relevant to the sport for his elite and one of a kind skill sets he brought and one shouls study bc it was that good ,it was CREATED by Cus Damato the greatest trainer of all time thats how dopey these fans are!

    As the answer? Boxing fans down play better fighters and praise inferior ones,even to the point it hurts boxing itself.Really boxing fans have to be the dumbest fans of combat sports bc its the only fan base i know that detracts from current guys to guys who are no longer boxing.....sorry but thats the answer you are looking for. lol
     
  10. mike foreman

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    I'm just stating the obvious. I mean, sure Liston would land SOMETHING but im not convinced that it'd be enought to really deter Tyson. Like I said Liston wasnt a quick handed combination puncher which he would have needed to be.
     
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  11. swagdelfadeel

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    I was just thinking "this guy literally mentioned both fights." :sisi1
     
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    Glad you stopped now finish your stopping and go away.

    Any post who thinks the outcome between Tyson and Foreman and/Liston is crystal clear isn't a boxing fan he's a fanboy. That much is obvious. In fact l would go so far as to say it's common sense.

    As to my use or lack of paragraphs with this damn auto correct on my phone l'm just happen to get a sentence spelt mostly right.

    But hey if you find it annoying feel free to stop wasting my time by responding, cause it's not like you're wowing me with your intellect.
     
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    It was oh so obvious in not one but TWO ways all in the one little sentence lmao
     
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  14. swagdelfadeel

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    You don't see what Douglas did to a peak Tyson with his jab and think Liston couldn't at least trouble Tyson with his jab?
     
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  15. Vanboxingfan

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    Last l heard they were both retired. And it was Cus himself who said a swarmer would never beat Foreman. That he made this statement is common knowledge. Google's your friend, use it. But unlike you, l don't discount the possibility of Tyson winning l just don't see it as a slam dunk and yet l'm supposedly the unreasonable one. Lol
     
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