I'm glad you're not a moderator in here mate. Banning people just because you don't like their posting style, passion, personal opinion or personal character is the wrong thing to do. I can't see any spamming in this thread from anyone...All posts are closely related because they happen to be discussing in-depth. Going from and elaborating further from point to point in each post. That's not spamming. What I can see is 3 or 4 posters giving spirited and passionate debate. That's healthy. If i didn't want to read someone's posts I'd use the ignore button. It's a choice every members got. Something I've never felt I needed to do BTW.
You seem to have a problem with understanding that there is not just one reason for every weakness. Fury naturally has a much higher body fat % than AJ so saying he isn't in "good shape" displays ignorance of how different body types function. Some very heavy men have incredible engines and sumo wrestlers are supremely conditioned athletes. AJ doesn't just have too much muscle: it's of the highly explosive fast twitch kind that isn't built for endurance. Fury's muscle is slower twitch and therefore doesn't burn up energy as quickly and Fury is naturally a much bigger man with a bigger frame, heart and lungs, so his body doesn't have to work as hard to carry the extra weight. And perhaps the biggest difference in this regard between Fury and AJ is how relaxed and loose Fury is in the ring, by comparison AJ is extreme stiff and tense. AJ's loss of energy through nerves and anxiety is a big factor which causes him to gas much more quickly than Fury.
I haven't been on these forums for very long but I've heard that it's a shadow of its former self in terms of activity. If this is true, the relative few of us who are passionate to post and debate regularly are doing the most to keep it alive. If someone is trolling all the time, doing nothing more than trying to get a rise out of other users then I understand the need to hand out bans but the idea of banning people for differences of opinion is absurd to me and the mark of a very petty and insecure mind.
I get that. Adrenaline can sap a fighters stamina as well. I still believe if AJ lost the bulk, his stamina would increase. Your acting like his big muscles don't play a major part in his lack of stamina or play a small part. I think the exact opposite. That's why you don't see long distance runners, swimmers, cyclist etc. built like AJ.
I don't think his fast twitch and excessive musculature plays a small part and I discussed it prominently in the original post. I can't put an exact number on it but I'd say it's at least half of the reason for his stamina problems. But there are other important elements and I'm a methodical thinker who likes to capture all of the relevant factors.
Not much to think about! There's a very long history of sports and it is very clear that big muscled athletes do very poorly in sports that are high endurance. Is it because of nervous energy, poor training etc? Or because of the fact that, big muscles need more oxygen and burn more energy and take longer to recuperate than smaller muscles? Clear as day to me.
Not all hugely muscled athletes have the same level of stamina and AJ has notoriously poor stamina, so there's more at play here than just "too much muscle". If AJ he lost the excessive muscle and was 220 pounds, his gas tank would be better but still poor because he's a fast twitch athlete with an extremely explosive style who doesn't deal with pressure well and has a lot to worry about. And against a 6'8, 273 lbs man like Tyson Fury, being lighter would sap his energy even more rapidly whenever Fury hit him or leaned on him in the clinch. AJ's stamina problems are just part of what he is as a fighter.
It is an interesting match up that should have happened a long time ago. Remember that Fury struggled with Wilder who can't box for **** but has that equalizer right hand. AJ can box, certainly has power, but gets tired and his chin is not good. Fury will be cautious, because AJ could KTFO him if he is reckless. This caution will give AJ respite from tiredness. AJ could throw caution to the wind hoping Fury doesn't quite have the power to hurt him, but I doubt it. This will probably be a low risk chess match fight like Wlad vs Fury. Neither wants to risk all the marbles going for broke and gassing or getting KTFO. Fury will not be able to outbox AJ the way he did against Wilder, as AJ boxes much more correctly and in an orthodox way. I believe Fury is a better boxer with better chin and should win a UD. Then again Hearn is involved so the judges score cards may be irrelevant.
It's probably the best boxing forum currently on the net IMO. There's lots of great posters throughout, but you will get the odd Genuine Troll. Usually as a new member and they disappear pretty quick. But as in life generally it's a pet hate of mine shutting people down just because you don't agree with their opinions, or dislike them. Best to use the "Ban Button" as a last resort and for genuine good reason only.
When did Fury struggle with Wilder? In the 1st fight where he outboxed him on away soil despite being inactive for 30 months, depressed, morbidly obese and on a coke binge? Fury could win a UD but he will know that the judges are liable to favour AJ for economic and political reasons, so it's a mistake to leave his fate in their hands. AJ's stamina, chin and psychological issues make him vulnerable and Fury can punch a lot harder than people give him credit for when he wants to.
I get what you're saying. But I just don't think the issues you site play a big part in his lack of stamina.
The "evidence" is grossly insufficient and there's no logical reason why it could possibly be better. There are however clear physical reasons why AJ's punch resistance is worse when he's 8 pounds lighter: less shock absorption and he's easier to knock down. Is losing just over 3% of his body weight an insignificant difference when being punched, leaned on in the clinch, or psychologically before the fight begins? I doubt it.
But are you using observational evidence ? No you're not. All humans are different. Its not just weight that affects punch resistance its also neck muscles and anticipation of a punch. If Joshuas punch resistance at 237 is indeed worse than at 245 its not enough by any significant margin to warrant an argument as to why he'd loose the sloppy offense of Fury anyway. Joshua took Ruiz's left hook better in the rematch because he saw the shot coming.
The "observational evidence" you cite is a fallacy, it amounts to "AJ got beaten up worse in the first fight where he was heavier, so his punch resistance was at least no worse in the rematch where he sustained less damage". I'm glad you agree with my point though about AJ seeing the shots coming in the rematch; one of the several reasons why his punch resistance was worse at the lighter weight while managing to take a shot better. I agree it makes no difference against Fury because AJ's going to lose regardless of his weight.