Why AJ has a poor gas tank

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by NEETzschean, Mar 18, 2021.


Will AJ gas out against Fury?

Poll closed Mar 25, 2021.
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  2. No

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  1. SmackDaBum

    SmackDaBum TKO7 banned Full Member

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    If we rate the anmount of nervous energy vs twitch muscle fibres i think Wlad was even more of a nervous wreck than Joshua. And he had smaller legs aswell.

    When Joshua gasses out he looks completely empty for a few rounds then he start to fight again. Wlad on The other hand... Brewster, Sanders, Peter its a completely different story. The only thing of Joshua Thats come close to that is his fiight agains Ruiz Jr but he looked like trash after the equilibrium shot.
     
  2. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Remind me what fallacy that is ? Its reality and actual evidence. As i stated there are multiple factors that affect punch resistance not JUST weight like you're getting on to. And him seeing the shots coming proves your ridiculous notion ??? :risas3: he saw it coming and took it better. First you were saying it was because the left hook could have been weaker now this ? U lost bro just stop
     
  3. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    The comparison you made was incomplete. I pointed out that there were at least four reasons why he took Ruiz's shots better in the second fight irrespective of weight, which you then parroted and tried to palm off as your own points because you have no intellectual honesty. My "ridiculous notion" is that being heavier increases your ability to take a punch (both in terms of shock absorption and your ability to not get knocked over as easily, something Ali believed if that makes any difference lol) which you try to dishonestly deny in AJ's case or at least question based on the "evidence" of AJ taking a punch better in the second fight than he did another punch, in different circumstances, in the first.

    "U lost bro just stop" = "please stop"
     
  4. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    No, I don't like the "you're a disgrace to the superior black race", "don't shop in white-owned businesses" ungrateful, chip on his shoulder AJ and I make no secret of it but let's not pretend that you're impartial and not praying to God that AJ knocks Fury out. We know you support AJ and we know exactly why because you've admitted as much.

    As for you accusing me of somehow stereotyping Nigerians, isn't it you who claimed that there is some nebulous "African Nigerian warrior spirit" that gives AJ the edge over Fury and assumably ever other non-Nigerian or at least non-African fighter? Because I'm pretty sure I remember you saying that. My point was that if the Israel Adesanya: one of the top 2 Nigerian martial artists in the world (it's a toss-up between him and Kamaru Usman) isn't an example of the "Nigerian warrior spirit" then who is? And this "Nigerian warrior" admitted to not being able to sleep the night before taking on a Polish underdog who was physically bigger and stronger than he is. I was poking holes in your ridiculous supremacist argument, similar to when I mentioned the brutal loss to Ruiz in which AJ was knocked down 4 times and quit, before crying in his apartment for 3 days into tubs of ice cream. How is this consistent with the mysterious "Nigerian warrior spirit"? And don't say it's because AJ is a quarter Irish.

    If anyone is stereotyping it's you: I haven't claimed that the Nigerians have any more of a warrior spirit than any other people on the planet. And I'm sure there are plenty of shy, unassuming, bookish Nigerians who aren't warriors and who don't appreciate such stereotypes which hold them to these harmful unrealistic standards.
     
  5. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Its not about liking posting style, passions, personal opinion or so. And yeah its a spam where in a 10 page thread, there is 9 page with only yours posts, which are 99% exact the same. Writing the same thing over and over again its exactly this. And at some point he write 4 post one after another straight away. He might deleted that, cause the thread was reduced from 11 page to 8 at one point, after my initial post.
    Again i doesn`t have a problem with him arguing his positing, but i got a problem with something thinking his opinion is the only one in the world, and somehow everyone else opinion doesn`t matter, its not true or so.

    At the end of the day everyone have an opinion, just believe you are believing in UFO, and other people don`t, doesn`t make you right, right ?
    Not to even mention that after few of his post, everything was just straight up hate and bias towards Joshua.
    Just like most of the opinions on here, that doesn`t make sense at all.
    I understand backing your buddy, cause he is suiting your agenda, but ain`t working.

    Fight is coming soon, and the laugh after it will stay here for long time, and all the nonsense thrown at AJ. You know how it goes, who laugh last laugh best ....
     
  6. Col Mortimer

    Col Mortimer The question isn't indiscreet.The answer could be Full Member

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    I disagree with your opinion on what's considered trolling or spamming in this thread. End of.

    We're gonna have to agree to disagree mate.

    My agenda on AJ has nothing to do with my opinion on banning people. I'm not a AJ hater but I am a Fury fan. I just strongly think Fury will win the fight.

    My whole post was about your serious call out to have the bloke banned. That's wrong to me. Plain and simple. If it's a real dislike you have just use your ignore button.

    I've stated my dislike in other threads about certain posters bring banned for similar reasons - who happen to have the polar opposite opinions to mine.

    Yep, I'm very much looking forward to the fight too. I can't wait. I'm not interested in having a "last laugh" if AJ loses.

    I will be celebrating Fury should he win though. And I fully expect him too.
     
  7. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    By banning i didn`t mean to ban him for real, but to struck something. As i said there was pages with literally 3-4-5 straight posts from him. But i still stand my point, that when you write 100 posts with the exact same content its a straight up spam.
    Your making a thread for a topic X, you are saying your mind, defending your opposition, when someone quote/reply you or so, but let other people speak their mind as well.
    No one opinion have more weight than the others. Ofc there is way more reasonable opinion when you set a good arguments or facts.
    I got nothing against the OP as well. Same with you. And i`m OK with your statement.

    As far as saying that Fury would win, i`m okay with that too. Even if you was not a Fury fan, nothing wrong with thinking that Fury may/will win the fight. But that should work both ways?
     
  8. Col Mortimer

    Col Mortimer The question isn't indiscreet.The answer could be Full Member

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    Hey, it's good you've clarified you're not serious about wanting him banned and it was just a throwaway comment. That was my original issue.

    Re our differing personal opinions on the spamming/trolling - I think we're both pretty much set in stone on that.

    There's certainly no personal hate from me either. Far from it.

    Peace and out, Mate. Have a good rest of the day.
     
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  9. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You gave 4 reasons but most if not all of these reasons are not backed up with any evidence whatsoever. You'll pulling all of it out of your ass. I gave you a legit reason a long time ago. This reason is Aj saw the shot coming because he wasn't brawling with Ruiz. He was on the back foot and was boxing at long range. And like i said weight can affect punch resistance but so can other things. Neck muscles, reading shots, genetics, and where the shot lands. Bigger generally would be more positive but its not always the case. Its all science.
    In the end Aj putting on more muscle is a detriment because he gasses quicker when that hulking frame saps his oxygen supply. And being tired is also a factor that makes a fighters punch resistance weaker. There's no way around this.

    If Ajs punch resistance is indeed weaker at 237 its not be any significant margin because he ate multiple shots from Ruiz in the rematch. And Ruiz is obviously faster than Fury
     
  10. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    "This reason is Aj saw the shot coming because he wasn't brawling with Ruiz" I said this to you first and you tried to pass it off as your own argument. But other factors include prior damage sustained and how concentrated the damage is, the exact power of the punch and the exact angle of the punch. All of these factors always vary so your "evidence" of him taking a shot better than a different shot in different fight is not "evidence" of anything and flies in the face of the obvious physical fact that a heavier AJ has more shock absorption on his body and is harder to knock down. Carrying more muscle means that AJ gasses quicker, other things being equal but things will not be equal against Fury, where he will have a 6'8 273 lbs leaning all over him in the clinch and making AJ carry his weight. In this scenario, a lighter AJ will probably gas even more quickly as he's overwhelmed physically and psychologically. So far from there being "no way around this", there's an easy way around it that you couldn't think of. And as I said before, the shots AJ took in the rematch were taken under very different circumstances so AJ's punch resistance could be and likely was non-insignificantly worse but it wouldn't necessarily show. Ruiz has faster hands but Fury will be the faster man on his feet, faster with a single punch and has heavier hands than Ruiz when he sits down on his shots.
     
  11. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    But you never said that.

    In all these quotes i said this you can see that you never stated Aj anticipated the punches better and took them better at least before i said it. Reread all of the messages. You never suggested it first. You're speaking out your ass. You in all of your arguments never suggested that Aj could see the punches coming until i brought it up. Quote yourself saying this first. Until then you're soeaking nonsense.


    in your own words you claimed "more weight = more punch power which means by your definition Ruiz probably did hit harder in the rematch.

    Also the thought of Joshua coming in lighter reducing his gas tank is ridiculous.
     
  12. ShovelHook

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    But people never credit Morrison or young Foreman with good gas tanks. Most people agreed that it was a big weakness for both.
     
  13. MarkusFlorez99

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    People dont credit Aj with a good gas tank either. Thats seen as his worst attribute along with his limited head movement and his lack of fluidity. And i can agree. He's very text book and doesn't adjust well
     
  14. NEETzschean

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    There it is: the first time this argument is made in the thread. 13 minutes later and in the very next reply you dishonestly try to pass this off as your own argument why AJ took shots better in the rematch. At least it shows that you agree with me that AJ's punch resistance could be lower while still taking shots better for this and potentially other reasons.

    More weight = more punch power up to the point where you slow down or fatigue more than the weight gives you extra power but again, it's other things being equal. Ruiz's shots could affect AJ more at a heavier weight if he hits him on the right spot (as he did in the first fight) if he lands cleaner (he certainly landed cleaner in the first fight) if he catches him off guard (as he did in an exchange) and if AJ had taken more shots, especially power punches, in a shorter period of time (also true). You correctly claimed that AJ's gas tank seemed better in the rematch but the second fight was fought at a much slower pace so this "evidence" was obviously flawed. At least you realised that lol.

    You need to pay attention to what I say. In the clinches with Fury, a lighter AJ is going to gas out more quickly because he will get easily manhandled and have to carry the weight of a man much proportionately bigger leaning on top of him. Psychologically and physically this feeling of domination will destroy his stamina. If AJ is bigger and stronger then perhaps he can hold Fury off better and stop himself from being dominated in the clinch, hence conserving his stamina to a greater extent. But either way he's in big trouble.
     
  15. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    "People dont credit Aj with a good gas tank either"

    Our friend Olu does lol and judging by the poll, a fair few others do as well.