Why AJ has a poor gas tank

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Will AJ gas out against Fury?

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  1. Somali Sanil

    Somali Sanil Wild Buffalo Man banned Full Member

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    If he hadn’t of touched roids he could’ve been the new linford Christie imo. I’m sure if linford took up boxing at the same age as Joshua an heavy dosed on supplements like Anthony he’d of had success too. Joshua is a natural track athlete imo, but it’s to late. His muscles are to big for any sport bar weight lifting
     
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  2. Somali Sanil

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    You would’ve said Ruiz was gonna be annihilated by muscles prior to his quit job too. Yep, QUIT, the memes of Joshua getting up and getting on the plane with his bags as the ref was counting are for a reason bled
     
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  3. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Quote me when i said AJ's has better punch resistance at 237 than at 245... im waiting. Oh wait a minute... i never said that. You're pulling that out of your ass

    You can clearly see here i said "I never stated Aj loosing weight improved his punch resistance" and on top of that i gave you an explanation as to why he took the left hook better in the rematch. Never said it was because he lost weight" even in my first message i dont remember saying "Aj at 237 can take a punch better" lol please quote me

    I said Ruiz's left hook in the rematch MIGHT have been more powerful because he had more weight in his shots but i never said it WAS as you can see here
    inform me on these angles like you failed to the first time. Why was Ruiz's left hook from the first fight harder than the left hook from the second fight? Explain please. I stated that Ruiz probably rocked Aj because Aj didn't see the punch coming. Very similar to how Lewis took left hooks from Tua easily but got knocked out by Mccall and Rahman because he didnt see the punches coming.

    From what the video shows, Ruiz's handspeed didn't decrease despite the fact he weight 20 pounds more

    And well of course Aj isn't coming into the fighr at 215-220 thats dumb on his part. Fury isn't a good combination puncher. Aj is. Thats why If Fury tried to walk Aj down he'd get wiped out. Fury at 270 is slower than Pulev. Im not even joking.
     
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  4. Surrix

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    This is boxing and to land punch opponent does not expect or see is stuff that is boxing skills.
    Looked Ruiz was just not enough old for A.J, despite was laughted up in forums and YT comments before their fight. Easy night in office, Ruiz will get KOed etc.

    This is boxe and even in rematch Ruiz performed better than A.J fans had posted their opinions before rematch.
    Laughted up Ruiz even wasn't down in rematch, so bad lazy Ruiz was.

    Ruiz is interesting and fat likes me, dude is cool lad.
     
  5. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    "Objectively speaking that's not true (referencing my statement that AJ losing weight compromises his punch resistance) Aj lost a decent amount of muscle mass in the ruiz rematch and he actually took those left hooks better than he did during the first fight."

    So there it is. If it wasn't losing weight that allowed him to take the punches better, why even mention it? Then I made the point that no two punches are the same because the exact power, angle of impact, prior sustained damage and how aware the receiver is of the shot always varies. It is a logical fact that muscle acts as a shock absorber and a heavier man is harder to knock over, hence AJ's punch resistance will be better if he is heavier. You are just looking to contradict me when you don't have a leg to stand on and I'm not going to bother if you're going to argue in bad faith.
     
  6. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I said its not true because evidence seems otherwise. However i NEVER said his punch resistance is any better when he lost weight. All i said was is that his punch resistance didn't decrease. And i gave you an explanation as to why he took the shots better.


    It could have just been the simple fact that Aj just didn't see the punch coming in the first fight and because the mystery punch landed on his temple, it concussed him badly. That is all. Yes it is a fact that extra weight can act as a shock absorber which is why it would be significantly harder for a light heavyweight to knock our a heavyweight than another light heavyweight. But what also factors into much resistance is neck muscles, building up resistance to punches, and anticipating punches better. So when 2 heavyweights are playing the game sometimes these other factors can play just as a significant role
     
  7. NEETzschean

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    And as I pointed out there were so many confounding variables between the fights and the punches that the "evidence" you cited is clearly inadequate, if not a disingenuous attempt at deflection. My evidence is based on something everyone knows to be true intuitively: more fat or muscle on a man = greater shock absorption and harder to drop. I never said that weight was only factor in punch resistance, so it's irrelevant to even make that point. Other things being equal, AJ will take punches better at 245 than 237 and this was never even debatable for people arguing in good faith.
     
  8. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If you want to do that that I'll do this. Ruiz weighted 20 pounds more and the weight didn't affect his handspeed speed therfore his shots contain more power because his punches held more weight. Its a fact that each weight class going up hits harder than the last because of the weight advantage. Thats why heavyweights hit harder than Cruiserweights, thats why Cruiserweights hit harder than light heavyweights and so on and so on, on average
     
  9. MarkusFlorez99

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    Well i didn't see his comments because im not debating with him but I'll take a look.

    And hmm. You do care about race i see. Ok. Digging up your grave it Fury looses. All im wondering is why you're making Aj fans look like the ones who like Aj just because he's black. Terence Crawford likes Fury better than Aj. Errol Spence didn't give Aj a hope in hell against Ruiz. How does Fury have the best dominant wins. He outboxed Wladimir comfortably but beating Deontay Wilder is better than beating Povetkin ? The same povetkin that iced Whyte ? Lol are you being serious right now ? Wilder is a one trick pony who ducked Aj and Whyte and hasn't beaten any top opponents besides Ortiz. If i remember correctly Ortiz also ducked Aj. Old man Povetkin and Old man Pulev still have a better resume than Wilder. You talk about Joshua beating old men but Fury's best win is an old man and Wilders best win is an old man who was on blood pressure medication.
     
  10. MarkusFlorez99

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    Leave race out of this
     
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  11. NEETzschean

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    If his punches were connecting on AJ with the same speed in the rematch then that would be true but it's an unrealistic assumption: 15 pounds of excess fat, some of which goes to the arms, is going to slow your combinations down and AJ wasn't letting himself get with with those combinations much, especially not unaware so his punch resistance could be worse and still take shots better. I've also never claimed that there was more than a small difference in punch power from gaining weight, especially not 15 pounds for a heavyweight. If a lightweight put on 60 pounds and made himself obese, would he have much slower hands? Of course, so it's possible that he wouldn't punch as hard and he certainly wouldn't be able to land follow up shots in rapid succession anything like as well. AJ's punch resistance wasn't better in the Ruiz rematch but Ruiz wasn't able to inflict as much damage due to the greater speed difference and AJ's backfoot/clinch game instead of his readiness to exchange in the first fight, hence why AJ's punch resistance looked better but to claim it WAS better or even the same is a leap of logic. Putting on excess weight increases a heavyweight's punch resistance more than it does his punch power. Sometimes catching an opponent on the point of the jaw or an equilibrium shot can take the opponent out and sometimes he seemingly eats the same punch like it's nothing. Too many confounding variables. It flies in the face of reason to claim that AJ's punch resistance is no worse at 237.
     
  12. MarkusFlorez99

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    And again Ruiz wasn't any slower in the rematch when he let his hands go

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    We're referring to the one left hook that Aj took. Not multiple punches. Im tried of bringing this up. And thats a straw man. You're talking about a lightweight. Ruiz is a heavyweight. An obese heavyweight that can throw a quick volume of combinations. He's not a light weight. And Ruiz put on 20 pounds, not 60 and he still possesed fast handspeed.

    And last but not least you keep refusing to quote me when i stated that Aj has better punch resistance at 237 than 245. When did i say that ? Please quote me
     
  13. Jackomano

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    This. Joshua’s stamina problems come more from inexperience and poor pacing than him having bad stamina, but as he keeps accumulating rounds under his belt he’ll keep improving and he’ll start being more efficient in the ring, since even now despite Joshua’s success he still has only 112 rounds of professional experience, but even as a positive Joshua seems very coachable and in my opinion has all the tools to beat Fury with the right gameplan.
     
  14. NEETzschean

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    Crawford and Spence think AJ is garbage because in his first foray to American shores he got destroyed by Andy Ruiz, while Fury outboxed Wilder in America after 30 months off on a coke binge as a shell of his former self and proceeded to destroy him in the rematch. AJ has no market in America because the black fans mainly support (or supported) Wilder and AJ was his rival, without having any crossover appeal to white American boxing fans who generally prefer Tyson Fury.

    Let's compare their best wins...

    Fury's win over Wlad:

    1. 39 years old
    2. Undefeated in 10 years: 22 wins in a row against a string of top contenders and champions
    3. Wlad's back yard: foreign officials, shenanigans involving a dodgy canvas and providing Fury with inferior gloves, as much juice as Wlad likes
    4. Outlands Wlad virtually every single round and takes hardly any damage; the only man in 68 fights to school him via UD

    AJ's win over Wlad:

    1. 41 years old
    2. Dethroned in his last fight in a one-sided loss to Tyson Fury, now 18 months inactive
    3. Hearn's back yard: AJ is given every chance to win and will be favoured by the officials in a close fight
    4. Goes life and death with Wlad: AJ gasses out and gets dropped hard in the 5th, only survives because Wlad is too tentative to go in for the kill, outboxes AJ for most of the fight and gets stopped prematurely at the end of the 11th after AJ finally catches a second wind

    Now let's compare their worst performances...

    Fury's win over McDermott in Britain:

    Has a very close fight with an experienced British level fighter as an out of shape 21 year old, extremely fortunate to win a decision.

    AJ's loss to Ruiz in America:

    Suffers the most humiliating defeat of all time in his prime at 29 year old to a limited but dangerous heavyweight contender. Is battered from pillar to post and dropped 4 times before he tacitly quits.
     
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  15. NEETzschean

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    You said AJ took the punches better at a lighter weight, as if it had anything to do with his weight. It was a transparently bullsh*t argument.

    Ruiz put on 15 pounds and was slower in every respect in the rematch. I can't watch your video as I've already told you because I live in Britain, not whatever part of the world you inhabit.