Why all the hate on Canelo Alvarez's opponents?

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  1. pong

    pong Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The conversation moved to fighters of today and how they compare to the fighters of old. In particular, the crew of Scott Hale, Ray Flores, me and Lucy Haro, our interpreter asked Nacho what he thought of Saul Alvarez, the junior middleweight who at 21 years of age is already being touted as a superstar. At present, the young fighter is the WBC titleholder and has two defenses under his belt. We asked specifically if Beristain felt “Canelo” was brought up to soon to a belt.

    “No, he has already a lot of fights,” answered Beristain of the 38-0-1 (28) fighter. “What happens is they put him against a lot of punching bags, bad fighters and old. [In Mexico], they call him ‘The Murderer of the Elderly.’ :lol::lol:You know what I think, that if "El Perrito" [Alfredo Angulo] fights him, I think [Angulo] knocks him out in four or five rounds. I like how [Alvarez] boxes. What I don’t like is the quality of the boxers they put him against.”

    “Who is better?” I asked. “Saul Alvarez or Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.?”

    “I think both are bad, bad,” said Beristain. “‘Canelo’ has fought a lot of fighters that are good-for-nothing.”
    Last March on Mexican television, there was a mock court held called "El Tribunal del Boxeo," with Beristain as the prosecutor. Oscar De La Hoya and Saul Alvarez were witnesses and even the great Julio Cesar Chavez Sr. called into the program to put in his two cents on the accused WBC President-for-Life Jose Sulaiman. “I hit [Sulaiman] and Oscar De La Hoya hard [verbally],” laughed Beristain. “I gave Oscar some hard blows. He just laughed. Now they want to do it again because it had tremendous ratings.”
    The program attempted to determine if Alvarez deserved a shot at the vacant WBC title he would eventually win in a catchweight fight against English welterweight Matthew Hatton. Beristain tore into Sulaiman as did his fighter Juan Manuel Marquez. It was good entertainment but the show also had much truth to it. We asked Beristain about the show and his thoughts on whether or not Sulaiman was helping to protect Alvarez while guiding him to a belt.

    “Yes, too much,” said Beristain. “On that TV show, [TV commentator and one of the show’s judges] Dr. Morales told [Sulaiman] I was the prosecutor and he told him, ‘You are ‘Canelo’s’ godfather.’ I said, ‘Yes, he is his godfather.’ [Morales] said, ‘And aren’t you going to give him his allowance?’ I told [Morales], ‘[Sulaiman] already gave it to [Alvarez]. He almost put the belt on his waist.’ I killed [Sulaiman] with that. People were happy. They started calling the show saying, ‘Congratulations to the prosecutor because he’s telling Sulaiman the truth.’ [Sulaiman] is a delinquent and I am the first person that tells him.”
    http://www.maxboxing.com/news/main-lead/a-conversation-with-nacho-beristain-part-three
     
  2. Gonzarelli

    Gonzarelli Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You make my point.
    FLoyd was considered PFP but he was fighting the likes of
    the fighters I mentioned, which again, were smaller fighters than FLoyd, something you keep harping on when it comes Alvarez's opponents.

    And you failed to answer the question do you really consider those fighters any better comp than Alvarez's opponents at that same stage?
     
  3. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    exactly
    yes they were better. I have not problem with Canelo's opposition, but don't compare it to what Floyd was doing at that age.
     
  4. Gonzarelli

    Gonzarelli Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Please:patsch

    Floyd was a considered a PFP fighter and was fighting the likes of Juuko, Manfredy, Rios and Gerena. Neither of whom were legit title holders.:deal
     
  5. cangryman

    cangryman Active Member Full Member

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    Haha I'm not hating, sorry if it sounded like that. Was just saying as a matter of fact. And yeah I did miss the topic by a lot :D.

    I lived some time in Mexico so I like their fighters too. Not a big Canelo fan though, media hypes him up as the next JCC over there.
     
  6. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Floyd was fighting top 10 guys from his division. He wasn't really bigger than any of those guys considering he only rehydrated about 5 pounds anyway. Canelo is fighting guys coming up in weight who aren't even top 50 in their division. Yeah, Floyd was fighting much better fighters.
     
  7. pinolero1981

    pinolero1981 Active Member Full Member

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    I have to agree with this comment.
     
  8. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Who were the title holders than Canelo fought :lol:

    Floyd was THE Champion at 130 and won it from Genaro. Not some vacant BS

    and Floyd was fighting at 125 in the Olympics right before he went pro. Floyd never was considered big in any weight class as a pro. He was a little taller I guess than some of the guys he fought, but that's it