Why All The Jones Jr Haters

Stinky, You're just a complete idiot! It's already been pointed out to you that, there is a world of difference between James Toney at 26, losing 30 pounds of bodyfat because he gorged himself between fights, and Roy at 34 losing 20 pounds of muscle in just 8 months!

Toney always had to put himself through that in camp. He struggled to make weight against Griffin and a load of other fighters. Despite his greatness, he had no discipline.

 

Metal, I don't know what the hell you're talking about?

It doesn't matter how many pounds Roy rehydrated to. He was a shade under 200 pounds for Ruiz. He had to weigh 175 or less for Tarver to make the weight. It was probably about 18 pounds of muscle. Don't be an idiot!

Did you see the Tarver fight? Did you see Roy run out of gas after 8 rounds?

Did you see the Johnson fight?

Did you hear the doctors saying that he shouldn't have been near a ring, because of how dehydrated he was?

If you think the weight loss is an excuse, then you're saying that Glencoffe Johnson beat Roy, because he was just a better fight, right?

So you think Glenn was better than Roy? Ha! Is that what you're saying?

Anybody that knows anything about boxing, knows that Pre Ruiz, Johnson would have had practically no chance of beating Roy Jones.

He knocked Roy cold and then went on to lose to Clinton Woods, who according to you is a dinnerlady! Right?

I'm actually a fan of Johnson's. I like the guy, but the truth is, Roy was ill when he fought him. He lost every one of the 9 rounds before getting knocked out. Like I say, pre Ruiz, Johnson would have been an easy win for Roy!

Do you think Johnson was a step up fpr Roy?

What logical explination is there, for How a fighter the calibre of Johnson, could easily beat an elite fighter like Roy?

You're not telling me, that Glenn Johnson beat Roy for 9 rounds and then knocked him out cold, just because he had greater ability than Roy. It's ridiculous, like all of your posts. You have all of the evidence in front of you but you choose to ignore it.

Roy was like a zombie in that fight. He had no speed, power, his timing was off, he was getting hit at will. If you've no sympathy, that's fine by me, but everyone who watched that fight, knew there was something drastically wrong with Roy. Anybody can get knocked out if there caught, that's obvious. But to lose every one of the 9 rounds to a guy like Johnson? Come on!

Roy was never the same after that fight. That was the end of his career right there.

Get back to me and have a proper debate, instead of spouting nonsense!

 

Hi mate, I've enjoyed reading your posts. Metal must be typing these things for a laugh. I know there's a few on here that do it for a reaction. I get it, and I suppose it's funny, but after a while it gets boring. I don't think Metal can be serious in what he posts, because nobody could be that stupid could they? For example, Roy lost a measly 7 pounds to go back down for Tarver.

He gets a reaction out of me, and fair enough, that's what he wants, but we could all have a great debate instead of all this nonsense. He must get bored of typing the same **** every day?

 

Just to gauge it, Metal Mandible and others have explained many of their criticisms regarding Roy Jones Jr, the steroids scandal and the way he managed his career. Which of these criticisms do you accept? Or do you deny every criticism made against Roy?

 

calzaghe didn't "avoid" people.

rjj did tho.

that's why so many people had a problem with him.

there were countless "superfights" that everyone wanted to see...most of them involved rjj...almost none of them got made.

 

They haven't explained ****! Everyone's entitled to their opinion, and that's fair enough, but most of my posts are backed up with factual information.

I responded to you with factual information on another thread. You didn't even get back to me. Like I say, he must get a buzz out of winding people like me up. He spouts nonsense and gets a reaction. I get it. He's got a good sense of humour. But after a while it gets boring.

Why don't we have a proper debate for a change? That's what 90 per cent on here signed up for.

Metal's anaylsis of Roy's career is as follows:

Roy was roiding all of his career until he got caught in 2000.

After 2000, he didn't dare use the roids again.

He managed to go unbeaten for 4 years without his roids, because his opposition was garbage.

Ruiz was handpicked and meant nothing.

The weight loss was an excuse.

Tarver and Johnson were just better fighters than him.

He avoided Benn, Eubank etc.

He only beat cab drivers etc.

That's all he spouts every day.

It's boring!


There's factual information that shoots all the above down in flames. But he still comes back spouting the same ****. Like I keep saying, he gets a buzz out of the reactions he gets. But he must be bored by now? How long has he be doing it? It'd be funny the first few times, but after that, what's the point?

Let's have a propre debate.

 

Who did Roy avoid? There were plenty of fights that Roy could have had, like Benn etc, but there were reasons why they didn't come off. Just go back 5-10 pages and have a look at some posts.

Joe was happy defending his WBO belt at home. I haven't got a problem with that at all. That's what Eubank did. But the difference is, Eubank admitted that he was happy to do so, where as Joe liked to tell people he was hard done to. He tried telling people that he wanted the big fights, such as Roy, but he couldn't get them.

When in actual fact, he did nothing to get them. He said he'd have liked to to have fought Roy earlier, and he thinks he would have given him a good fight etc, But what did he do to try and get into the ring with Roy? The answer is Nothing!

He didn't fight in Roy's Country.

He didn't fight in Roy's weight class. (despite telling everyone how hard it was to make 168 pounds)

Nobody outside of the U.K. knew who Joe was, until he beat Lacy in 2006.

He never publicly called out Roy, in post fight interviews etc.

Roy jones wasn't going to knock on his door.

Joe was happy doing what he was doing. But, you can't have it both ways.

 

To start with, it's a valid point that when Roy was tested for the first time in his career as a professional, he was caught with 6 times the acceptable level of Testosterone in his system due to use of an anabolic steroid. He also refused to submit to a follow up test to determine what the substance was, instead he and his team told the media it was a 'nasal decongestant or ripped fuel'. Now why didn't Roy submit to the follow up test to clear his name?

Secondly, if this was truly the 'first time' in Roy's career that he cheated and used an anabolic steroid, what was it that Roy saw in Richard Hall as a figher, that he was so afraid of that made him juice up to 6 times the acceptable level of testosterone? There is certainly logic to suggest that he had been cheating throughout his career. It is also important to note that the quality of opposition he faced directly after was terrible, especially for an elite figher. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. Where was the rematch with Hopkins? The fans wanted it, Hopkins wanted it, HBO wanted it, there was no Don King involved as an excuse. Roy didn't want it, he preferred to keep making easy money fighting over-matched opposition. Before you say 'because Roy already beat him, therefore Roy deserved all that extra money', Hopkins was for many the best fighter in the world, and both were prime. In another interview I posted on here, Joe Calzaghe makes the point, why does Roy want to fight tough opponents like Hopkins, or Calzaghe? When he can keep making money taking easy fights.

There was an interview posted earlier after the Rick Frazier fight, that perfectly highlights this, even Larry Merchant says 'what we brought you was junk'.

Beating a man that much heavier than you is to a degree impressive, but it's grossly overrated. Roy was never HW champion of the world, he won a paper title that Lewis had vacated, and John Ruiz was not a decent HW, and he was tailor made for Roy. Roy loved to fight his mandatories, why didn't he fight his mandatory for his HW title, which was Vitali Klitschko? He never fought the true HW champion that was Lennox Lewis. Roy's 'HW stint' is grossly overrated, and that's the issue with it.

Do you think if Lewis, Klitschko or any top HW's were holding the belts, that Roy would have went anywhere near the division!?

The weight loss issue is also overstated, Roy weighed 193 for the fight with Ruiz, and he was fully clothed at the weigh in. On fight night, as a LHW Roy weighed 186. He would drain 10-14 pounds of water weight, which is standard. Even if you take that he weighed 198 pounds (which we have no proper evidence of) it's still only about 10 pounds of muscle, not figures like 20 or 25 pounds which is often quoted. Furthermore, he had 8 months to lose it, and even more time to settle back into the weight before the Tarver rematch.

Roy Jones is a frustrating character, he was more of a showman than a serious boxer. He had the talent no doubt, but he preferred to clown over-matched opponents, than take serious fights, test himself and prove himself against the best. That interview after the Rick Frazier fight is a prime example. Also, steroids cheating in boxing cannot be condoned under any circumstance, even if it's Roy Jones.

 

rjj could have got countless fights made. he was one of the biggest names in the sport. not just benn & eubank & collins...but a toney rematch or a b-hop rematch when they were among the top names in the sport. he went up to hw & managed to avoid all the top names. he didn't face the biggest names at 175 either...& he was there for ages & had the clout to get any fight made.

b-hop made the best fights he could. mostly. he took the big money fights when he could get them. the same is true of calzaghe. i'm prepared to accept that certain fights didn't come off if you go on & do make the big fights (& tbh neither b-hop nor calzaghe had the clout to make fights like rjj did...b-hop pre-tito had a hard time making fights...ditto calzaghe pre-lacy).

the same is not true of rjj. his run of opponents post toney (the only true super-fight he was ever involved in) is a disgrace. he was called "reluctant roy" for a reason. he consistently managed to avoid the big fights. given the position he was in to make those fights... that's pretty shameful. a guy who is one of the biggest names in the sport competes in the same weight class as just about every other big name in the sport & consistently fails to make fights with them...it's not a coincidence.

 

People like who they like and have their own opinions. That being said Calzaghe's resume isn't exactly a who's who of boxing. Now every fighter gets his share of soft touches while he's on the way up, sure, Calzaghe is no different from everyone else in that regard. After he became champion, it's a different story. He beat Eubank who was on the backside of his career to win his belt, then beat two reality show guys in Baika and Manfredo, Lacy who sucked, Hopkins in a fight that could have gone the other way, Old RJJ and Kessler. Those are just the people most of us have heard of.

If Calzaghe had so much trouble making 168, I would have assumed he would have moved up to 175 sooner. Maybe Calzaghe should have faced DM since a lot of folks think RJJ should have fought him.

If RJJ's resume is suspect, Calzaghe's isn't much better, not by a long stretch.

 

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an excuse for every fight that didn't come off. of the many. many many.

& none of it is his fault.

sums up rjj tbh. the man of a million excuses.

people at the time weren't quite so kind:

http://a.espncdn.com/boxing/columns/graham/1230263.html