Why All The Jones Jr Haters

mayweather = all skill
RJJ = all bull****

 

Floyd is FAR ahead of Jones in terms of ATG ratings

 

I've cut weight before, idiot, what you are describing is nothing akin to the process. I have explained how it happens. If you start camp at 190 you cut the fat you need to get to your muscled weight at 185/186, i.e. ten lbs or so over whatever the divisional limit is. Then you are in-shape and ready to fight. You maintain this weight until the day of the weigh-in when you get in the sauna and sweat out what you need to make the limit. Then you drink plenty of fluids with electrolytes to put the water weight back on. If you think that cutting is primarily about losing fat, you are a moron and you do not understand any of the process. I cannot explain it any clearer than that and you will obviously never get it unless you read an in-depth study on the subject or you actually try it. This is ****ing pitiful.

The bottomline is this. The guy was a solid, muscled 186 lbs for ALL OF HIS LHW FIGHTS. Almost nobody actually weighs what they are supposed to for a fight. They are all 10 lbs or more over so that they gain an advantage in strength and they sweat out pure water weight to make the limit. He was a muscled 186 and then a muscled 193, then 7 lbs back down to 186. You are obviously handicapped and I do not know how saying it for the umpteenth time is going to help, but I just can't help myself. There are thousands of idiots that post here and yet I have never seen one quite so obtuse or delusional as yourself. Do us both a favor and post a thread about weight cutting and put your version up and my version. See who gets laughed at. End of story.

 

Today's fan would rate him over SRL ,Ray Robinson and even Ali so thats not saying much ..

 

:roflatsch clearly GIMPerial1 has learned absolutely nothing from his recent humiliating schoolings. A brain-dead vegetable beyond help.

 

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Just curious how high do you rate Jones ATG

 

Loudon makes him look like a Boxing savant. Look at that fool's idea of what weight cutting is if you want to see a real brain-dead veggie.

 

In the Top 50 30- 40 range ..

 

Beyond laughable. If "

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losing every single exchange and having each one of your incoherent points effortlessly refuted, and having to stick your head up your arse and lie, then yes you did. ****ing spastic.

GIMPerial1;

Thought NATHAN CLEVERLY was the Lineal champion.

Then thought the WBC title was the Lineage.

Now thinks "most Lineal champions are the weakest".


He probably still doesn't even understand how the Lineage even works.

 

So sad ..Its over let it go ..

 

Complete Domination. That Jones nuthugger was utterly demolished.:rofl

 

Metal,

you're making a fool of yourself. I know how you cut weight. But your not losing logic are you. I don't think you've even looked at my examples.

I can't explain it any more than I have done.

This is the last time i'm going to try and explain it.

Roy comes in to a typical 175 fight, gloved up, dancing to his music, weighing 186 POUNDS!

But, to get to the above weight, he first has to lose bodyfat from 190 (walking around weight) to 175 weigh in weight, replenishes, then back up to 186. Right?

He ends up gloved up at 186?

But to get there he's in camp for 7 weeks.

When he fights Ruiz, he's gloved up at 193 right?

The difference between him being gloved up at 186,

and being gloved up for Ruiz at 193, is 7 pounds. Yes?

But what I'm saying, is he just didn't add 7 pounds in weight to get to the Ruiz weight.

why?

because, when he fought Ruiz, he didn't have to go from a soft 190, down to 175 and then back to 186. He didn't have to dehydrate himself to hit 175, like he did for an average 175 fight.

THE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT!

For Ruiz, he didn't come down to 175, then rehydrate to 186, then add another 7 pounds to get to 193. that's where your logic is out.

For Ruiz, he lost a tiny bit of weight, and then bulked up. That is the difference.

Your making out that Roy went into camp and just put 7 pounds on to fight Ruiz. That's what your saying. I agree 100% that there's only a 7 pound difference between his gloved up 186 fight night weight, and his Ruiz 193 fight night weight.

Yes, the difference is just 7pounds. But the two different versions of his Physiques are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT! HIS TRAINING CAMPS ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT! HIS STRENGTH AND CONDITIONING AT THE WEIGHT ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

One more example.

Using your logic.

Roy walks around at a soft out of shape weight of 190 pounds.

Roy enters the ring on fight night for Ruiz, and weighs 193 pounds.

The difference in the weight is only 3 pounds isn't it?

But their bodies would be worlds apart.

You're not taking into account Roy's 7 week camp to hit the average fighting weight of 186. The circumstances, and his preperation are completely differet.

Before he replenishes to a healthy fighting 186, he first has to go into camp for 7 weeks, and hit 175 BEFORE! For the Ruiz camp, he didn't have to come down in weight to 175, then replenish to 186/193

Again, I understand your sums, but there's no logic.

If Roy walks around at 190 pounds, by your logic, all he had to do was to gain 3 pounds, to hit his 193 Ruiz weight.

Scenario 1,

Roy trains his ass off for Ruiz, on the day of the fight, he weighs 193.

Scenario 2, Roy does nothing, but feed his chickens all week on his farm. At the end of the week, he gets weighed, and he weighs 193, The same weight as fight night Ruiz.

Using your logic, both weights are exactly the same! But for Ruiz, his body his strong and healthy and ready to fight, his feeding his chickens weight is also 193 pounds. But, he wouldn't be in any condition to fight would he?

It's like me saying, Roy ends up fighting at 186 pounds, and he comes into to camp at 190. So Roy's only actually lost 4 pounds then right? NO HE HASN'T!

There would only be a 4 pound difference in weight, from Roy's fight night weight, and his entering camp weight. The difference would be just 4 pounds? Right? Yes the difference is 4 pounds. But Roy hasn't just lost 4 pounds to get to that point has he?

No! He's first had to train to 175 to make the weight beforehand!

Do you not see that His Ruiz camp and his preperation, was COMPLETELY different to an average 175 fight camp?

Roy weighed in on average at 186. For Ruiz he weighed in at 193. To get to both of those figures, you have to down to seperate roads to get there.

Yes the difference in weight from 186, to Ruiz, is just 7 pounds. But that does not mean, that Roy simply put 7 pounds on in weight. If you don't understand, you're a ****ing idiot!

He weighed 193 for Ruiz. He probably weighed, gloved up about 186 for Tarver. That's a 7 pound difference in weight AT THE END OF THE DAY. But to get to that final weight of 186. First, he had to come from 193 to 175, BEFORE he ended back up at 186.

His body was completely different.

All you're doing is, taking his 186 fight night weight, from his 193 Ruiz weight. The difference at the end of the day, is as you say 7pounds.

But He didn't just have to lose those 7 pounds, TO END UP AT THAT POINT!

DO YOU UNDERSTAND.

The weight difference in actual weight is peanuts.

But the difference in Roy's body, and the whole circumstances are HUGE!

There is only you and two other people, that think he only lost 7 pounds.

The total difference between the two weights is 7 pounds.

But he didn't lose 7 pounds from 193-186. Because, he went from a fit 193 to a 175 BEFORE he ended back at 186.

Your calculator is fine,

Your logic is out!

I'm not trying to be a dick. But you're insulting me and you're not reading my posts properly.

So, yes the difference is just 7 pounds.

But you refuse to take into consideration, how Roy ended up at both of the weights.

Do you really want me to google it, and post links up?

There's only you and knockout that think he lost 7 pounds in 8 months.

It's common knowledge to everyone else, that he lost around 20 pounds of muscle.

If you're going to read my post properly, then reply. But if you're not, don't ****ing bother. Life's too short.

If I put the links up, what are you going to say?

Are you going to the say the links are lies? Ha!

We're going to have to leave it now. There's no point in taking this any further.

regards, Loudon.

 

Loudon, what you fail to understand is that Roy didn't make 193 through weight draining atsch

As a LHW, he doesn't go into camp to try and make 175! He goes into camp to reach his ideal fighting weight as a LHW, which is 186, then he cuts water weight, specifically to get to 175 for the weigh in, then he as Metal Mandible says, he takes on energy drinks with electrolytes to get back to 186.

For the weigh in against Ruiz, he never had to cut weight, which is what you're failing to understand! That 193, was Roy in fighting shape with water weight, he added an extra 7-9 pounds of muscle, that's it. Roy as a LHW was in fighting shape at 186, Roy as a HW was in fighting shape at 193, no dehydrating or draining involved. Do you not realise, that at 193, if Roy had drained he probably could have made 182? Which again, is just 7 pounds over 175! How much clearer can this be made for you??

Another point, how can he have been dehydrated or drained against Johnson, when he had 18 months to adapt, and prepare his body to make 175? That's another bull**** excuse.

 

Knockout, you haven't read my posts properly.

I didn't say Roy made 193 by draining.

Look, just go and watch the sweet science doc on youtube. Then, go and watch The herat of champion doc, also on youtube.

I can't explain it any further, or give any other examples.

There is only you and Metal that thinks he just lost 7 pounds of muscle fro Ruiz to Tarver. It's common knowledge to the rest of the World, that he lost in the region of 20 pounds of muscle.

All your doing, is subtracting his 186 fight night weight, from his 193 Ruiz weight. If you do those sums, you end up with a 7 pound difference.

I agree it's 7 pounds. But, you're not taking into account, how he ended up there, and what he had to go through, to get to that final figure.

The difference in ACTUAL WEIGHT is 7 pounds.

That does not mean, that all he did WAS SIMPLY LOSE 7 POUNDS.

The rest of the World are wrong. Mackie Shiltstone his wrong. Alton Merkerson is wrong. Roy Jones Is wrong. But you and Metal are right?

Just ****ing Google it. It will take 2 mins. He lost around 20 pounds of muscle!

It doesn't matter what the final sum is, it's how he got there that counts.

It had nothing to do with adapting for Johnson. The damage had already been done, in those 8 months. The damage to Roy's body was between March 2003 - Nov 2003.

That's why he was knackered after the 8th round for Tarver, and he looked like a Zombie for Johnson. It has nothing to do with having 18 months to adapt.