Why All The Jones Jr Haters

Of course he was drained in the Tarver fight. He had nothing left after the 9th round, he was ****ed!

Anyway, like I say, I like Glen. But I think he was in the right place at the right time.

 

I agree he had mental issues. There's no doubt about that. But the initial damage to Roy's body had been done between the begginning and the end of 2003.

Roy had 13 months off between Johnson and Tarver 3.

That's why he fought better. Against Glen he was dehydrated. That's why the Docs said so. He wasn't dehydrated for Tarver 3, and he was in better shape.

 

Paulrufus,
Hi mate, It's hard work on here sometimes. Ha!

 

Besides an over the hill DM, who had Gonzalez beat?

Furthermore, Roy never had rivals out there? He could have made fights with the likes of Mcclellan, Eubank, Benn, DM, Calzaghe, he could have rematched Hopkins (like Leonard-Duran). There were plenty of big fights to be made, unlike Hearns, Leonard, Robinson, Lamotta, Hagler and others he didn't show any willingness to make these fights. He was happy fighting the woeful competition that he did.

Tommy actually did fight the best of his era, and put on a great show each time. Comparing Jones to Hearns is a disgrace, Roy never showed the fighting spirit Tommy did. If Tommy was around in Roy's era, Roy would have run and jumped up as many weight classes as possible to avoid Tommy, imagine someone with those skills and that power against Roy! Lights out.

 

You might as well give up on this one. He is clearly a mongoloid and incapable of simple addition and logical reasoning. Glass Jaw Roy's moneyshot to the eyes has completely blinded him to reality.

 

haha he's almost as bad as 'Imperial1', who after sustaining countless blows to the head in exchanges with the Chincheckers and Team Elite, has become completely brain damaged, and reduced to a shadow of his former self

 

He wasn't over the hill in 2002? I'm not saying Gonzalez was great. I'm asking the question, how did a binman beat DM, who Roy supposidly avoided.

It's ok reeling off names, but half of them fights couldn't get made. Also, you can't compare Benn, Eubank and Calzaghe to the fab 4.

How could he fight Eubank? Eubank didn't want to go to the U.S.

Neither did Joe til 2006. These fights were viable to make. He could have rematched Hopkins, and it's a shame. But Roy wasn't going to give him 50/50 when he'd have had to have come down in weight, and he'd already had a win over him.

Why aren't you moaning about Hopkins? Why aren'y you saying, why didn't Hopkins take the 40%?

Roy did fight the best fighter of his era. Out of all the names that Roy missed, none of them was as good as a 26 year old James Toney.

I agree he did fight woeful competition. But what's the difference, say, between Harmonn, and Tocker Puwell, or Manfredo, who Calzaghe fought. Roy fought bums. But every one fights bums.

I'm comparing Tommy and Roy's era. Tommy had 3 James Toney's to fight. They all fought and beat each other. They were all as good as each other, they were all the same age etc. Roy was at his peak in an era that wasn't as good as the 80's one that Tommy fought in.

You can't really say who'd win if they'd have fought. Tommy at his absolute peak, i think he'd have been at 147. Roy at his absolute peak, is 168.

Tommy at 168 or 175, he'd be past his best at that point. Tommy would have got soundly beaten at 168 or 175 against Roy at 25/26. But it would be an unfair advantage.

Yes it's certainly lights out, if he lands. Roy's chin vs Tommy's huge right hand. It's a disaster for Roy if Tommy lands. But would he have landed?

Tommy couldn't take a shot could he? What happens if Roy lands? it works both ways.

But Tommy at 168 and 175 was past his best. There's no way Tommy beats him at that stage of his career.

But Tommy at his absolute peak, and Roy at his absolute peak, there would be a huge weight advantage in Roy's favour, so they couldn't have fought. The higher up in weight that Tommy goes, the less chance of winning he has.

Roy at 168 would have beaten the version of Tommy that drew the rematch with Leonard in 89. Roy would also have beaten that version of Leonard from 1989.

I'm not saying Roy's better than SRL.

I'm saying he'd have beaten that 168 1989 version of him that drew with Tommy.

The

 

Metal,

I think you've already given up. Just google it if you want. It will take you two mins. There's only you, knockout and head that think he only lost 7 pounds.

It's common knowledge to everyone else, that it was 20 pounds.

He had to get from 193 to 174 for the weigh in. What he goes upto after the weigh in, is irrelevant.

We know he ended up at 186. That was just 7 pounds away from 193. But before he ended up at 186, he first had to get from 193-174. That's the weight loss right there. 193 to 174.

Just google it!

 

One last time. He had eight months to lose 7 lbs of muscle from 193 to 186. Then on the day of the weigh-in he got in a sauna and sweated out the last 11 lbs. He was never cutting his muscle and fat down lower than 186. End of discussion, dummy. If you still want to ram your head into the concrete wall that is Fact, why don't you start a thread on how weight cutting works and post our respective versions of it up. We will see who ends up being the laughingstock of ESB.:hi:

 

Tommy beat a prime Virgil Hill in 1992 at 175, he certainly stands a chance despite being well past his best.

If they fought at 160, the Hearns from the Hagler, or Shuler fights would destroy Roy, if Glen Johnson put him in a coma, I actually fear for Roy if Tommy landed. Tommy's chin was shaky of course, but it's made of stronger stuff than Roy's! Remember, Tommy shipped several power shots from a prime Ray Leonard, and a prime Marvin Hagler, and was still able to get to his feet!

I provided you an abstract from Eubank's autobiography, comments from Joe Calzaghe, General Zod provided you an abstract on G-Man. Now, you can say it's conjecture, however when this many parties are calling out Jones on the same issue, there's no smoke without fire. I'll take the opinions of multiple fighters, than Roy Jones. We've heard some of Jones' excuses in the past, like a nasal decongestant causing him to fail a drugs test

Both Leonard and Hearns rank far higher P4P and all time than Roy, there's no arguing with that.

Back to Jones' opposition, let's look at some of the guys he beat in his prime. David Telesco, look at the level of opposition he was facing prior to fighting Roy. Rick Frazier, look at the level of opposition he was facing. Otis Grant, Richard Hall. Derrick Harmon, to earn his shot at Roy beat 11-23-8 Wesley Martin. It's ridiculous, these guys were club fighters, or spent their career fighting club fighters. It's insulting if you try and tell me this was the best available opposition.

 

:roflatsch

I am convinced they are both the ******* offspring of Glass Jaw Jones, hence the fanatical devotion to e-fellating him here.

 

It's the best explanation, how else can you ignore cold hard facts, when they're being repeated to you several times. Now we're hearing that the likes of Rick Frazier, and David Telesco were the best available opposition to Roy :nut

 

Metal,

I aint arguing. I'll google it, and put you the links up if you want?

 

Laughing stock?

Just start a thread titled, Did Roy lose just 7 pounds of muscle, from Ruiz to Tarver?

That would be hillarious!

 

Knockout,

we're getting into a good debate here.

It's all about timing isn't it?

Roy at 160, I think he'd lose to Hearns, from the Hagler fight.

Roy at 160, I think could lose to SRL from the hagler fight.

Tommy above 160 isn't at his best.

SRL above 160 isn't at his best.

Roy at 160 isn't at his best.

I don't think Tommy destroys Roy though at 160.

If Tommy landed flush, Roy would be out for a month. But he's got to land first.

I've never said Roy didn't fight bums. I'm saying they wern#t all bums.

Of course SRL and Tommy rank higher.

But talent and skillwise, there wasn't much between them.

But they rank higher, because of the great rivalries and the great era they fought in.

I think that's a little unfair on Roy though. Talent wise, he's definately up there with them.

Going back to Roy's opposition, your just just picking the bums out.

I admit he fought bums. But I can pick ANY fighters resume to bits if I wanted to.

He fought against bums, like you've mentioned, but he had good wins.

Malinga, Tate, Reggie Johnson etc were all good wins.

keep up the good debate.