Why All The Jones Jr Haters

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It's quite funny, in the Richard Hall fight Jones' corner say something to him between rounds along the lines of "This guy must be on something, the shots he is taking from you!" :rofl:rofl

I can't remember the exact quote but I found out about the roids after watching the fight and I found it rather hilarious.

 

He had to cut all the way back down to 175, not just to his walking around weight...and he took it off the wrong way.

 

Found the quote: "This boy must be on drugs or something, **** you hitting him with... You're hitting him with everything!"

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[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-1qzWVmGmU[/ame]

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No LHW cuts actual muscle and fat all the way down to 175, that would defeat the purpose of cutting. They cut to about ten lbs over so as to be as big and strong as possible, then they maintain that weight until the day of the weigh-in when they sweat out 10 lbs of water to make the limit. Afterwards they chug Gatorade or Pedialyte to replenish the fluids and electrolytes. What they weigh the night of the fight is full body size. They are completely drained of fluids when they step on the scale. You people are clueless about how and why fighters cut.atsch

 

Both you and MetalMandible sounds very convincing, but you cant be right both of you :think

I admitt I know little about weight cut. But I have a hard time to understand how a fighter can be healthy at a certain weight at one point in his career, and then be weightdrained when he goes back to it. Frankly it makes no sense.

As far as I know you can only build up large amounts of muscle by dedicated training with this purpose. Go back to normal training and your body will revert to it's natural state. It's not like you have to starve yourself lean again. The body only keeps added muscle if you force it to.

I dont like to say this, but I think MM might have the lead here.

 

MM is an articulate troll, as I mention; he posts his points in a certain way so as to come over as convincing.

As to my points Sir,

There is a documentary floating about, most of it is on Youtube though some parts have been taken down. It's called 'Roy Jones Junior : The sweet science' if follows Jones in the build up to his HW fight, focussing mainly on his camp with Mackie Shilstone.

Mackie Shilstone is a fitness guru type bloke who is occasionally hired by Boxers when they move up in weight. He helped Michael Spinks gain the weight to go up to HW and defeat Holyfield, he helped Jones to heavyweight and he then helped Bernard Hopkins go from 160lbs up to 175 and defeat Antonio Tarver.

Bernard Hopkins is relevant here. Hopkins bulked his frame up when he fought at 175lbs. Same as Jones did when he went to HW. Now Hopkins natrual weight when he was at MW was about 180lbs, so theoretically he could of not bothered with a strength and conditioning coach, and just trimmed off 5lbs. Being an athlete does not work that way. Hopkins added significant bulk. (His natrual weight now is about 190lbs.) this allowed him to hold his own physically. In essence to become a heavier athlete rather than simply a heavier man.

Jones did the same, up to HW, and became a heavier athlete. By athlete I mean he put on muscle, developed his legs, etc etc. Muscle feeds off of Testosterone, the chemical in your body. More muscle requires more testosterone, thus the body begins to produce more. This is where I mentioned about altering the chemical rythm of his body. His body (At age 35,) adjusts to the weight and produces more of that chemical.

Jones then loses the weight, he goes down to 174. MM will claim that he went down to 184lbs and the rest was water weight. Let me ask you something from a common sense point of view; If you have lost a large amount of muscle to get close to a weight limit, how much water do you think your body will of retained? Jones caused severe harm to his body by cutting that much weight.

We saw the effects.

 

The body is composed of over 60% water. It does not matter how much fat or muscle you lose, you are still primarily made of water and it can be sweated out. Why do you think fighters who cut significantly look drawn and completely ripped on the scale only to look less cut and fuller the day after? Because they are dehydrating in the sauna. If you are not sweating in the sauna, you are not dehydrated whatsoever. If you are not dehydrating in the sauna you are not going to be 10 lbs heavier from weigh-ins to fight night. The bottomline is this. If Jones' personal scale was correct and the NSAC's was wrong for the Ruiz fight, he added 13 lbs to an already muscled 186 lb frame. If the NSAC's scale was correct it was 7 lbs. Either way this is not an outrageous amount of weight to lose over the course of 8 months.

 

Would you concede that his body rythm was more than likely messed up?

 

It is possible but I have seen many fighters in both Boxing and MMA who have gained and lost even more significant amounts of weight than Jones who did not end up becoming human punching bags overnight.

 

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Bryd was fine after the George fight. You cant permanently damage yourself by cutting weight
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YIQV9MXxeU[/ame]

 

Bunce doesnt know what he is talking about.
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