Why All The Jones Jr Haters

From a commone sense point of view; dehydrating and rehydrating the body of large amounts of water the night before a fight should be a rough treat for the body. I guess it can be a possible approach for some fighters, but it's easy to assume there are lingering effects that might mess up your stamina. Losing weight beforehand is not likely to help.

From a common sense point of view, that is.

 

Great links once again zod! It's all about opinions isn't it?

Freddie says he didn't unify the 168 division, and he holds it against him. He beat the best fighter at 168 and then moved up. He could have unified the division but he moved up in weight, where he stayed the majority of his career and unified the division apart from
Fighting DM. He was more comfortable at 175 when he got to his late 20's.

I can't see the problem, unless you're accusing him of ducking Benn.

If he'd have stayed and unified 168, there would be someone who'd have criticised him for not unifying 175. Even if he'd have done both, it wouldn't have been enough for some people.

 

additionally SMW wasnt views as established as it is now, not back then. It was still a fledgling division in the late 90s and early 2000s.

You cant become a legend by staying in a small pool.

 

Thanks

in some cases

It is true that Toney was the best guy when Jones moved up, but style wise Nunn and Liles would of given him his toughest fights.

He needed that fight to cement his legacy at the weight. How can you call yourself the man when you are sharing the division with a long reigning champion?

It would of been an excellent accomplishment

 

the smw division was seen as the bad step child of the mw division, but it did get some recognition during the early 90's. The best fights for Jones were at mw-smw

 

For me the glen Johnson fight is all the proof you need, on how much damage he'd done to his body. Roy looked ill that night. He looked like a zombie! No disrespect to glen, but he wasn't good enough to win 9 rounds against Roy. Pre Ruiz he'd have had virtually no chance of beating him IMHO.

Roy scored complete shut outs over Gonzalez, Woods, Ruiz and then couldn't even win a round against Glen? Then afterwards Glen had three close fights with Clinton.

I'm actually a fan of Glen's, but Roy, fighting at a hundred per cent of his capabilities, easily beats him. Jokers on here say that he got knocked out when he stepped up competition. How much of a step up was Glen?

 

He didnt damage his body by cutting weight

 

That's fair point about DM, but Roy had the three belts, including a good win over Reggie. I know the history behind what happened to DM, but surely that would have made him more determined to fight Roy? Nobody could have expected Roy to have gone to Germany? DM seemed to be happy to stay there, and the fight could never get made. But I think DM needed Roy more than vice versa.

What do you think would have happened if they had have fought?

Cheers!

 

Well that's what Roy thinks. He was certainly never the same after Ruiz. He'd got nothing in the tank after 9 rounds against Tarver, and to me he looked I'll against Glen.

What was the reason for his sudden downfall?

Pre Ruiz, I think he would have beaten Tarver in a close fight, and he'd have beaten Glen quite comfortably.

 

One of the best fighters of the past 20 years.

A sure HOFer and ATG imo.

But he was "cocky", didn't land/take some fights he probably should have, and has stayed in the game far too long.

So I can see where he gets haters from. As all fighters do when they dominate for so long.

Imagine if he fought Holyfield after Ruiz (the one Toney fought), obliterated him, and retired at 50-1?

Most would rank him top 10 all time, and probably rightfully so.

Now, there's a very wide spread and difference of opinion as to where he should rank.

For me, 25-35 is probably fair.

 

Im sure they could of agreed to fight in a 'neutral country' like Froch and Abraham did.

They needed each other, and both of their legacies will suffer for it.

Power: Jones
Handspeed: Jones
Footspeed: Jones

Jab: Darius
Footwork: Jones
Counterpunching: Jones
lead offense: Darius
Defense: Jones
Style advantage: Jones
Darius's had a clear cut defined style, which I'm sure Jones could of prepared for. On the other hand Jones's style is very awkward and unorthodox, which makes it hard to prepare for

Blueprint fight: Darius-Hill, Jones-Toney

Darius would come forward working behind the jab and looking for opportunities to land the straight right. Jones would fight off the back foot (like Hill) and exploit the openings that Daruis's offense provided

Outcomes:

Darius:
ko
Possible. I dont think Jones ever fought someone who hit as hard as Darius. You could say Ruiz, but Ruiz never landed a flush punch on Jones's chin during their fight. People consider Jones be a glass jawed bum, but his chin was seemed fine during his prime years imo

Outboxing:
I doubt if he could outbox Jones. You really need to have a wizard in your corner like Futch to have a chance of outboxing him

Jones:
ko
Possible. Jones banged harder than anyone Darius fought, but Darius did display a granite chin during his prime

Outboxing
Very possible. Jones could fight the same way Hill did but would be more effective in terms of counterpunching, speed and power

I would go with Jones - by ud.

The problem is that it would be a hard grueling fight and I dont think Jones had any of them during his prime years. He did dig deep against Tarver though

 

A fight that should have been made, no doubt.

But I see it ending with a fairly comfortable win for Jones.

Was simply on another level.

But that's the point of resumes. It's not the "what I think will happen" that matters, it's the "what actually happened" that matters.

 

good point.
On paper Tyson ko's Douglas in three and Lewis stops Rahman in 6

 

Not to mention what Wlad does to Ross "I lose every second fight" Purrity.

 

If I remember correctly Jones was the 10-1 favourite to beat Griffin:bbb