Why All The Jones Jr Haters

Well done

 

Again Zod, great reply. But it's all about opinions. The links you provide are informative and they are great to read, however they're only from that person's perspective.

You think Roy only lost 6 pounds for Tarver, and that he exaggerated his difficulty in making weight. That's fine. It's good to get someone elses opinion. But I can post links of Roy stating, he had the hardest time of his life sweating 25 pounds. I've seen 2 videos of Coach Merk stating, that he did nothing but run for months on end to get rid of the weight. Now if you don't believe that, that's fine, but surely, if they were exaggerating what had happened, they'd have been pulled up on it by now?

I've read countless interviews with Journalists, Ex fighters and trainers including Manny Steward, and none of them have said Roy only lost 6 pounds. So, I'm not saying your wrong, but none of us were in that camp, and it's only your opinion that he lost 6 pounds. Metal makes an interesting case about weight cutting, and some of my responses were just to wind him up, but unless we were there, we've only an opinion on what Roy really went through.

I've seen that video with Jim Lampley lots of times. I know he'd already lost the weight by then. You're claiming that Roy only lost 6 pounds but Tarver lost 25 pounds. How do you know for certain.? Tarver wasn't ripped for Rocky, but he wasn't fat either. He famously asked Roy "Have you got any excuses tonight?" and then used the same so called excuse when Hop beat him, and he also said he'd been poisoned.

You're saying he chose not to eat anything before the weigh in. That's fine, but my point was, he'd never been faced with this problem before. In my opinion he'd had a hard time camp, and he'd never been in this exact situation before. Again he didn't drink anything, because he didn't know how it would affect him. That tells me that he'd struggled in camp, and he wasn't sure of himself. But that's only my opinion. If he'd had a great camp, he wouldn't have found himself in a physically depleted state.

He'd had a great camp going in, but I think he should have stuck with Mackie on the way back down. He needed someone around him that had experience in a situation like what he found himself in. With regards to Tarver, it was obvious that Roy knew he'd have a hard nights work with him. But if Tarver had beaten Eric Harding the first time, I think they would have fought, and if Roy really didn't want to fight him, he'd have avoided him.

With regards to Lewis, I really enjoyed the links you put up a few weeks ago. But it's only your opinion that Roy approached him, knowing that he couldn't take the fight. Lewis could have given Vitali a rematch and then he could have fought Roy. Lennox could have said, I can't fight you next, but I can if I get Vitali out of the way first. But he didn't want to fight again. But Roy's not a mind reader, he couldn't have know what his exact response would be. So I think you're being harsh on Roy there. But I respect your opinion.

Tua would have been a great fight. But again, when he couldn't get a megafight at heavy, he didn't seem to want to stay there. Anybody can say he ran back down to Tarver, because he was afraid of Vitali etc, but I think he was genuine when he approached Lewis for a fight. Tyson and Lewis (despite Tyson being shot to ****) were the biggest names in the heavy divison. When they didn't come off, I think he was subdued, and that's why he gave into Tarver. The easiest fight at Heavy would probably have been Byrd. But he wasn't interested at all, because he'd put all his eggs in one basket, or even two ha!

You also have to take into connsideration that Tarver was constantly berrating him until their fight had been signed. He really got under Roy's skin at the Ruiz press conference. Back to weight issue, we don't know what impact the weight loss had on his body, because we weren't there and we're not Roy. I've read alot of articles over the years that state that Roy burnt through a lot of muscle in a short space of time, and it damaged his body. If you don't agree with what was written in those articles, fair enough.

The weightloss was the start of his demise whichever way you look at it. He struggled in the first Tarver fight, and it was close, so they had to have a rematch. Mentally Roy wasn't up for it as much as Tarver was. But in my opinion he wasn't a hundred per cent for Tarver. If he had've been, I think he'd have won a clear decsion, and they wouldn't have had a rematch. But again that's only my opinion, and it's all ifs and buts. In the rematch he got caught with a great punch, and afterwards his confidence had been taken. He became gun shy, and as you say he lost the will to train.

So it all had a domino affect. He obviously wasn't as strong mentally as what he was physically, but I stand my opinion, that the initial trouble he had in camp for the First Tarver fight, was the start of his demise. Age crept up and the physical gifts that he used to have started to decline. He didn't have his amazing reflexes that he once had, even when he got his confidence back.

Regarding Daruisz, we don't know what he was offered. Maybe he was well with in his rights to turn the two offers down? We'll probably be never know. But I honestly don't think he wanted the fight. He was happy defending in Germany for good pay.

Nice debating with you. I'm away for a few days, so I won't be able to replyback straight away. Happy Easter!

Regards Loudon.

 

Haha!

 

Ass handed to me?? Haha! Why thank you sir!

Great debate. A lot better than last month.

I'm off for a few days. Happy Easter mate! I'll be back next week.

I know Metal will miss me! Ha!

regards, Loudon

 

Considering I've only put in about three serious posts here, I'll take it :happy:happy:happy

Whatdya mean 'knows **** about Baxin?!'

 

AnotherFan :fire

 

I think my poor English messing things up here.

Dont know **** about baxing = bad thing.

Knows **** about baxing = good thing.

In my opinion MetalMandible caused a bit of upset to draw with you. You are regarded as a good poster, he is regarded as a troll. But he held his own well. I think you could have got him if you had put more effort into it.

 

Sorry, my fault Thankyou sir, appreciate that.

MM will go on for weeks atsch I basically took the first slight concession he made and run for it. These threads have been done a thousand times with the same points just re-worded. So I'm very sorta :-( to the whole thing now.

 

This guy Loudon is too decent.

A bit too civilised for ESB

:good

 

Eventually any topic will get exhausted. In my opinion the bashing of Roy Jones have been a bit fun, especially when it gets so twisted that his loss against Calzaghe is declared a result of "stepping up" How the hell did Calzaghe become the definition of pure quality?

But I dont think I will participate in more debates about Roy. I'd rather focus on Floyd vs Cotto, Pac vs Bradley and Bute vs Froch. Three exciting match ups popping out of nowhere just like that.

 

paul rufus wasn't hiding, he's just a cocksucking troll alter-ego shemale who has probably posted under multiple identities in this thread. when i track this **** down, I'm gonna pepper him with slick counter right hands straight down the pipe, untill i corner him, grab his scrawny ****ing neck and drive 381 maximum power uppercuts into his gormless face, delivered with breath-taking brutality and stunning precision, rendering him unconscious on the floor in a pool of his own blood, vomit, urine, and feces.

 

spot on, hes the only poster on esb that I can't bring myself to abuse, he is indeed a gent and a scholar.

 

Paul Rufus gets the Troll of the month award.

Runner up: Forza

 

Have you read through the thread?