Why All The Jones Jr Haters

I dont question Jones accomplishments or abillity. Neither do I say he was the only one to carefully manage his career. All I am saying is he could be a bullshitter at times, and he is not as cool as hard core champs such as Hopkins, Ward or Wladimir.

 

Doyle,

You've just been presented with the Facts on why Roy didn't fight Benn. You've got statements from various people, including both fighters. Is that not good enough for you? King wanted a three fight option, Roy wouldn't tie into it. Seems simple enough to me. When he signed to fight Ruiz, I believe it was agreed that, if Roy defended the title, King would promote him for each defence. I think it was General Zod who made me aware of this a few weeks ago. The Tito fight, again, was just a one fight deal.

Roy knew that King could get him big money fights, but he was also very wary of him, and he only used him reluctantly.

Regarding all the fighters he missed, again there's many reasons why most of the fights never came off. You can't lay the blame all at Roy's door. But James Toney at 26, was better than every fighter on that list.

Yes Roy didn't face big punching fighters. But again, it's not as simple as, he avoided them. Roy was a baby when Julian Jackson was at his best, and I honestly believe that he would have fought Gerald at some point. He also moved upto heavyweight to fight Ruiz who was 16 and a half stone. Ruiz wasn't a big punching heavyweight, but any heavyweight is a big puncher, to a 175 fighter.

He also tried to get fights with Tyson and Lewis. (General Zod has got some great links) So, yes he didn't face big punchers, but if he avoided them like the plague, like people on here like to point out, what the hell was he doing trying to get fights with Lewis and Tyson. We know that at that point, Mike and Lennox were shot, but even so, they were still very dangerous fights for a 175 to take. A fighter who's at the top of his game at 26 years old, who's scared of the G-Man, does not persue a Lennox Lewis fight at 34/35. Who's the biggest puncher, The G-Man or Lennox?

You can pick anybody's record apart you want to, absolutely anyone's!

 

Hype

 

AnotherFan,
Hi mate! Not being funny, but why is Wlad a cool hardcore champ?

 

No, he did not. He demanded $50,000,000 to fight a shot-to-**** Tyson and he cherrypicked fat, Feather Fisted sloth John Ruiz instead of trying to capture the real HW title from the real Champion, Lennox Lewis. He also ran back to LHW to avoid facing his Mandatory who was none other than Vitali Klitschko.

The rest of your post is erroneous, as well. Zod's posts clearly show that Benn wanted the fight and Frank W stated that Jones' camp never contacted them with an offer of a fight. King did not prevent Jones from fighting several of his other fighters, how come he was such an impossible obstruction for a Benn fight? Jones talked out of both sides of his mouth and made plenty of claims about his willingness to take on challenges without doing anything to prove that.

The bottomline is that Jones is and was a Glass Jawed Fraud.

 

Metal,

You're boring! Every thread you pop up with the same old ****. It was probably funny the first time you did it, but now it must be tiresome even for you?

Why don't you come on and have a debate? You'll get more out of it, I'm telling you!
Every one of your threads says he's a glass jawed fraud who fought dinnerladies etc. There's some good posters on here to debate with, why don't you engage them, instead of waffling bollocks?!

$50,000,000? Ha!

Murad Muhammad tried to get Roy a Tyson fight. Mike and Roy even spoke to each other on several occasions. Shelly Finkle wanted it, but apparently there was a contractual dispute with Showtime. He didn't cherry pick Ruiz, as I've stated on here about a hundred times. He verbally agreed to fight Holy, before Ruiz beat him. Afterwards Roy was offered the Holy fight, and he turned it down to persue Ruiz because he'd won and was Champion. If Holy had've beaten Ruiz in their last fight, Roy and Holy would have fought. So he didn't cherry pick him.

A feather fisted sloth who had knocked down Holy, who outweighed Roy by 2 and half stone on fight night. He did approach Lennox for a fight. Go onto the thread "Did Roy lose at 175 when he stepped up?" It's all there. I think Zod posted it, it may have been someone else. It was after the Klitchko fight, late 2003 and Lennox told Roy he wasn't fighting anymore. Vitali was desperate for a rematch and Lennox wasn't interested. He knew his time was up.

Go and read Zod's links again. Roy did want the fight, he just didn't want to be tied in. Have a look. There's various comments from both fighters etc. The reason Roy went back to 175 is because he couldn't get a mega fight with Tyson and Lewis. That and the fact that Tarver was constantly in his ear. Tarver crashed the Ruiz press conference and managed to goad him into a fight. Roy never intended to just fight Ruiz and then come back.

The bottomline is, you need to stop posting **** to wind people up, and try and have an intellectual debate.

 

Do roy fans also think the Harlem Globetrotters are the best basket all team in the world?

They've never lost, fought all over the world.....

 

yes :good

 

Loudon

I think this is the article your referring too :


Lewis wants Roy Jones Jr. next
By Dan Rafael, USA TODAY
LOS ANGELES — Although heavyweight champion Lennox Lewis faces one of the biggest opponents of his career in Vitali Klitschko on Saturday night (HBO, 10 ET), a victory sets up a potential fall blockbuster with one of the smallest, Roy Jones Jr.
Although Lewis has Klitschko on his mind, he's also thinking about Jones and the mammoth pay-per-view dollars it would generate. His handlers have begun talks with Jones promoter Murad Muhammad for a historic bout that would pit the best heavyweight of the era with the best pound-for-pound fighter of the era in the sort of fantasy matchup normally reserved for barroom banter.

"When we first started talking about Roy fighting heavyweights, it was limited to him fighting the smaller guys like Chris Byrd," HBO's Kery Davis says. "No one ever contemplated him fighting someone as big and as talented as Lennox, which is why this is so fascinating. Not only would he fight a big guy, but he'd be fighting the best big guy."

What once would have been thought of as a ridiculous mismatch between the powerful 6-5, 256-pound Lewis and the speedy, 5-11, 190-poundish Jones can no longer be laughed at. Jones has moved from junior middleweight to heavyweight during a brilliant 15-year pro career, capping it off in March by winning the WBA heavyweight belt from John Ruiz.

"Roy is a serious fighter. I do not take him lightly with Lennox," says Lewis' trainer, Emanuel Steward. "He's been a winner all his life. He has the ego; I'm sure he's convinced that his speed would be a big asset."

Muhammad also is negotiating with Evander Holyfield for a fall fight. He said he met with Holyfield adviser Jim Thomas and promoter Don King on Wednesday, but the sides are not in agreement.

"Roy is very interested in fighting Lennox," Muhammad says. "We have Holyfield on the table, and we will keep talking. I want to be able to give Roy both offers, but the way it's going with Holyfield we are leaning toward Lennox Lewis. He creates more money, and Roy will go where the money is at."

Lewis is interested because he figures he'll be able to overwhelm a smaller opponent and make big money, too: "Roy is a remarkable boxer with tremendous talent, but he's coming up to my weight class and that would be a fatal mistake. For him to say he wants to be heavyweight champion, he has to forget about fighting those old men (Holyfield) who should basically be in retirement. He might as well come after the real champion, which is me."

Steward believes the money, probably $20 million-plus, and Jones' ego will push him toward Lewis.

"When I saw Roy Jones win the heavyweight championship, I said he's going to fight Lennox," Steward says. "I know Roy's ego. Once he tasted that money and loved hearing everyone holler 'heavyweight champ of the world,' it was intoxicating. He loves the money, he loves the limelight. Then someone says, 'Oh, you're just a baby champion. The real champ is Lennox Lewis.' Roy can't deal with that."

 

This reflects my view. Jones was crazy-gifted and was untouchable in his lengthy prime. What he could or couldn't do in 2006 I don't even count. That would be like knocking Ali for losing to Holmes and Berbick.

In his long prime, I never heard an expert say that anybody at his weight was a better fighter than RJJ. Whitaker was the only one called better P4P then, and I couldn't see it. His opponents sucked, or in the cases of Azumah Nelson and JC Chavez, were too old and fighting out of their natural weight classes.

Jones might not have proven himself at heavyweight, having just beaten one minor champ, but he sure proved himself over and over again in the other divisions. The guy barely ever broke a sweat. I mean, how many guys must he beat in a row, with excuse after excuse made as to the competition being inferior, before he gets some credit?

I wonder if the RJJ-haters feel the same about Floyd Junior, a guy who Jones would have KO'd and who has faced very weak competition, with barely a "tough" fighter in there and no all-time greats on his ledger. Nor anyone who was ever expected to be an even match.

 

Wlad is a controversial subject here on ESB, and few, save the infamous nuthuggers, are likely to agree with me

Wlad is a dedicated student of the sweet science. Of course Roy had lots of skill, but once his reflexes were declining it became evident he lacks a deeper understanding of the sport. Wlad is also consistent in his abillity to perform. After Roy Jones was defeated by Toney and Johnson the party was pretty much over. Wlad was flattened by two bums and one decent heavie, and adviced to retire. Instead he came back stronger. It's that kind of things real champs do.

 

dont bother...this ****ing forum is shot to **** because of people like mandible.Calling a future hall of famer a glass jaw fradu is un****ingbelievable.....
And this are the guys who call themselve boxing fans.
Sherdog is a ****ing rainbows and ponny land for thhis place.2much fighter bashing going on around here.

 

Go post there then. We discuss Chins here and there are some posters such as the Chincheckers who are not biased fanboys that are here to worship these guys. That is not going to change.

As for you nuthuggers taking anything that Roy or his camp said as Fact, that is laughable. You can either believe what he and his hangers-on had to say about the fights he was going to take, or you can take a cold, hard look at the fights that he did take. He is a Glass Jawed Fraud and his career was nothing but smoke and mirrors to cover up the Fact that he carefully manuevered his way through the divisions without ever beating a single lineal, unified, or undisputed Champion. He is the biggest "coulda, woulda, shoulda" story in Boxing.hi:

 

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Because there's an over-abundance of inferiority complex filled green-teef'z & commies on these hur board's lookin' to boost up the pathethic careers of their local neighborhood "euro-level" hypejobs. It hurts their feelings that Jones could get KO'd 75 more times consecutively all in the 1st round, and still will be generally seen as having a greater career and legacy than the best fighters their irrelevant countries could ever produce.