Why are americans the best?

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  1. kobipix

    kobipix New Member Full Member

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    Its a shame that all those names are from days gone by.......
    Maybe the top poster can name some modern great american boxers...2008 please...........
     
  2. sambob

    sambob Active Member Full Member

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    I'll tell you why America has on average the most skilled fighters... its because of the tradition built up over the last century of American boxing. Boxing was huge in America in the past, and we quite simply had a lot more boxers competing with each other than in other countries. Boxing is a scientific sport, so the more you fight, the more you learn. In terms of knowing the most amount of technique, knowing the most about the sport, etc etc., America has most of the best trainers. There is a wealth of boxing knowledge in America, so as a result we produce more fighters with great boxing ability. Guys like Floyd Mayweather or Bernard Hopkins who every single trick in the whole book that is boxing, and have a style that is developed to be as versatile as possible in dealing with as many different styles as possible. Fighters with styles like this tend to win the most, and be the best. Boxers tend to be the top fighters out there, as opposed to brawlers. Also America has the boxing culture to produce people like Roy Jones, who fight in a style all their own... and get tremendous results.

    There ARE other fighters like this out there, but because of the boxing culture in America there are more here. This is changing, as boxing has been on the decline especially in the last 10 years or so.

    One of the best guys out there right now, who fights in the way I just described, being able to adapt, and having a versatile style, is Joe Calzaghe. Calzaghe obviously is not American, but he and his people have come up with great boxing nonetheless. What will be telling, is to look at British boxing in say... 10 years. Lets see who grows up watching Joe Calzaghe fight, trains hard... and becomes another great boxer, like so many have in America before. Also, because there is a fighter like that in Wales, hopefully it has an impact all over Britain. More fighters want to fight like Joe, more trainers are forced to learn more about the finer points of boxing. And hopefully it spreads, so we have a little less of British fighters punching 'body bags' in the ring with their trainer, and a little more actual boxing work.

    To put it simply, boxers are often products of their environment. In some places in the USA, there are RICH boxing traditions. Kronk gym and Emanuel Steward obviously.. but the all the old trainers there, all the good amateur fighters being trained by them... that area (which really includes Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Pennsylvania, etc etc) alone, has given us such talent as Sugar Ray Leonard, Thomas Hearns, Aaron Pryor, James Toney, Floyd Mayweather, Gerald McLelland, Bernard Hopkins, Michael Moorer, etc etc. Thats a HUGE amount of talent.

    I'm not saying there's anything better about Americans, or American fighters. But as it stands, the boxing culture and environment in America, has produced many of the best BOXERS.

    I acknowledge that is changing, so nobody has any business going "wah wah why is there only one American in the pound for pouind top ten"? I already said its changing, and that I'm not saying Americans are inherently better.
     
  3. dhenzrae

    dhenzrae A Proud Noypi Full Member

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    it will be more acceptable if the TS replace the word "all" with "majority"
     
  4. jc

    jc Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well where heavyweights are concerned there only real rival population to boxer wise wise the USSR/Russian states and for a long long while they were not allowed to turn pro.

    now they are turning people we are seeing a resurgence of (boring albeit) Eastern european talent.

    Some Americans beleive its because 'all the big black guys are playing football man'', but thats bollocks, there is just another hungrier team playing the game now.

    As for the rest of the weights, i dont think (considering the population) that the US is very impressive.

    Peurto Rico on the other hand is a freak of nature....P4P king of boxing.
     
  5. Loewe

    Loewe internet hero Full Member

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    Easy. Firstly it has to be "were". Secondly, In the past boxing was mainly a sport of the US and GB. There was boxing in other countries but it was not as big but boxing was something like "soccer" is in the US today. So, it may be that there are successful fighters out of these countries but it will be less than from countries where boxing is big like the US. Thirdly, the boxer from the former Sovjetunion and Cuba weren´t allowed to turn pro and they were at least on par with the Americans in the amateurs.
     
  6. stonerose

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    are you honestly comparing boxing to the NFL ? have you heard of the marquis of queensbury ?
     
  7. Cruiser1

    Cruiser1 Champion Emeritus Full Member

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    If you look at the head-to-head matchups between top American heavyweights and Eastern European heavyweights in the past few years the results are staggering. The only fighter to have any real success against them was Lamon Brewster with his wins over Wlad, Golota, and Krasniqi. Fittingly, an Eastern European fighter, Liakhovich relieved him of his belt.
     
  8. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    None of those fighters are active, and Tyson? are you serious? Last time I checked Lennox Lewis beat Holyfield and Tyson.

    America has historically produced a lot of great fighters because its a ****ing big country, where boxing was a major mainstream sport. It is no longer a mainstream sport in America and America is no longer dominating.
     
  9. Salty Dog

    Salty Dog globalize the Buc-ees revolution Full Member

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    Porque' asi es,buey...
     
  10. hopkins54

    hopkins54 Active Member Full Member

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    good post mate:good

    think about it, how good would zab judah have been if he never fought zoo?
     
  11. Feiti

    Feiti Active Member Full Member

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    Lots of reasons why IN THE PAST the USA has had most of the greatest fighters. One reason is that there is a great boxing culture in the US and it´s been a very popular sport there for a long time. Another is that the US is a very populous country. A thrid reason is that great boxing nations like the past-USSR and Cuba are/were banned professional boxing.

    On the first reason, you can see that the US has never done well at soccer(football) because there is little interest in it in the US. On the other hand, sometimes small countries or places will produce a lot of talent in a certain sport, like Cuba has in boxing, if there is a great culture for the sport. This can especially happen if somebody special arises in that sport and inspires the whole nation to start taking up the sport.

    If you look at my country, Iceland, it has 300K people and yet has been able to once place fourth in the Olympics in team handball and once win a silver medal - because this sport is very popular in the country. An even more extreme example is that Iceland has won the World´s strongest man competition 8 times - more than any other country. Granted, Icelanders are on average realtively big and strong, but so are other Norse nations, the Dutsch and many Slavic nations etc. The long running traditions for strength competitions and obsession with showing off your strength, that is deep rooted in the culture, must be a really big factor in this. In Iceland, whenever someone does really well at world level in a certain sport, it get´s a lot of attention and the sport´s popularity surges. This is what Jon Pall Sigmarsson did for strength sports in Iceland for example.

    Anyways the landscape of boxing is changing and the US is not really dominant in it anymore.
     
  12. Feiti

    Feiti Active Member Full Member

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    We also mustn´t forget about Mexico, a country that is populous and has a great tradition for boxing and is a coutry where boxing is extremely popular. They have produced a great number of great boxers at the lower weights (well Mexicans are on average not very large people) and it would be interesting to compare how many great boxers Mexico has produced at the lower weights vs the USA.
     
  13. Feiti

    Feiti Active Member Full Member

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    On my comment about the US not doing well at soccer, it´s actually interesting to see that they do really well at women´s soccer. It´s because a lot of the best female athletes from the US get into soccer, but most of the best male athletes would rather get into football, baseball, basketball, hockey or even boxing.
     
  14. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    and because in other countries women athletes go into other sports like professional dishwashing, broom sweeping, and sexing their husbands.
     
  15. socrates

    socrates THE ORIGINAL... Full Member

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    at what?