Why are boxers afraid of brain damage these days?

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  1. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Calzaghe really underrated too. People joke and say he slapped which he did sometimes but how's that different from "throwaway jabs"? Throwing the same punch w varying force and speed can be as effective as throwing different punches. It fosters false security and can set-up some serious trouble in middle or end of fight.

    Calzaghe definitely fought in bunches but he varied it up and was both overrated and underrated at the same time.
     
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  2. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    What is your opinion of IV gate? That's the case of Floyd being caught in his own home 24 hours before fighting Pac ,receiving an illegal & excessive 750 ml of saline . That broke 3 of the NSAC's own rules regarding saline drip for dehydration. Yet to crown it all the NSAC's only response was " Mr Mayweather did nothing wrong we will not be investigating" LOL Then issued him the required TUE for the saline 3 weeks after the fight. The mind Boggles
    If that proposed exhibition with Pac that Floyd's ranting about on the internet , anyone that buys it is crazy.
    Unless Pac accepts the exhibition but night of the fight turns up to fight for real & whips Floyd's butt BAD!!!!!
    It would only be fair seeing as Floyd cheated him May 2 2015
     
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  3. Rob_V

    Rob_V New Member banned Full Member

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    I don't even see Floyd taking that Exhibition with Pac he has been petrified of him in the most I bet it goes no where, Pacs been chasing that rematch since the Vargas fight.
     
  4. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    Floyd posted on FB him & Manny were talking about an exhibition lol
     
  5. Rob_V

    Rob_V New Member banned Full Member

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    What year was this, was it in Japan after Pacquiao beat Matthysse more than 4 years ago and still didn't happen
     
  6. Mickea4

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    Respect dude, takes balls to say that
     
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  7. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Its across the board though. In football, boxing, and even hockey physicality is being reduced. I dont watch rugby but wouldnt surprise me if that sport has also reduced physicality.

    I'm not advocating for people getting hurt but I also dont enjoy athletes who have only finesse without any of the toughness, grit, and heart that separates the ATGs from the contemporary greats. Also, it is kind of silly for boxers to be upset about concussions or CTE given that the entire sport revolves around literally hitting each other in the damn head. I get football and hockey a little bit cause outscoring opponents is the goal, not literally hurting opponents, but these athletes today are Charmin soft
     
  8. FastSmith7

    FastSmith7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I wont lie, being a walking shell of a human at the age of 50, doesn't sound appealing to me
     
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  9. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    No Mayweather is on FB claiming he's in talks with Manny now for an exhibition probably in December
    Manny wants to fight for real he wants revenge for being cheated by Floyd. Floyd wont want a real fight he hasn't got the cojones. Anyone that buys an exhibition is crazy Floyd just needs to go away his day is done
     
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  10. C.J.

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    Tell me .. Do you box ? Have you ever boxed? I doubt it No fighter that gets in the ring to FIGHT is Charmin soft. unless his name is Floyd Mayweather jr who just runs & dances. Boxing is a dangerous sport that's why one of the referees jobs is to protect the fighters as well as keep order. I always say I'd rather see a fight stopped too soon, than too late. There have been far too many tragedies when referees let a fighter keep taking too much punishment. As we all know there are officials that are blatantly biased or incompetent, they need weeding out
     
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  11. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Never had a match but yes I did spar and train at a gym. Youre trying to compare today's complaining athletes, who fight once in 12-18 months, with guys from decades prior, who DIDNT complain, that accumulated 50+ fights. And you deduce that any fighter with health decline is the result from fighting? Sometimes we just get old, brother. Not everything is from boxing or associated physical/historical damage. Plenty of fighters who were in WARS have no indication of problems.

    I'm not saying getting hit in the head is good for anyone because it isnt, but some of these guys literally say they "put their life on the line". Its hyperbole and abject nonsense
     
  12. Serge

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    Yes Super Joe mixed up the force and speed of his shots. He would throw lighter flurries and then slip in a hard one

    And he could be slick when he wanted to be. Not fear of getting hit 'slick' (he had no qualms about standing and trading with big punchers). Real skill based slickness.

    He was also versatile and could box numerous different styles

    He was very physically blessed by the boxing gods in many categories: Blinding hand speed, fast feet, athletic, rhythm, coordination, fluidity, physically strong, absolutely crazy engine, great chin, and yes he hit very hard before his hands turned to mush

    How do you recall the (Joe) Calzaghe fight?

    ''The main thing I remember about Calzaghe was how hard he punched. I thought he had bricks in his gloves at one point. On top of that - he was big, he was strong, he was hearty, he had fast hand speed and he had a very awkward southpaw stance.

    He was unbeaten, he didn't know how to lose.
    On top of all that, he puts me down in the opening 15 seconds, for only the second clean knockdown of my life. (Laughs) .''

    ''I've never been knocked down in the first round before Joe hit me with a powerful left-hand punch, which I never saw, and within half a minute of the bell ringing I was having to pick myself up and deal with the realization that I was in for a long night. That punch really hurt and thereafter it was a tough fight.''

    Joe obviously went on to be an exceptionally great world champion.''

    --- Chris Eubank

    ''I started out [professional] with the Ingles. I used to do a lot of body sparring with the likes of Bomber Graham, Johnny Nelson and Naseem Hamed. Nelson never had any bottle: he used to nick fights running away. But Naz was ******* brilliant - so elusive and he hit really hard. Even when he were just 15, he told my uncle to get his autograph 'cos he were going to be a superstar.

    Nigel Benn used me seven times over in Tenerife, including for the Gerald McClellan fight. I had a big bet, three figures, on McClellan to win in the first round at about 10-1. And he would've if the ref hadn't kept interrupting. Nige and me would spar half-an-hour a day, then both go out on the ****. We always had a headguard and 16 oz gloves and often I'd outjab him. Nigel weren't a liberty-taker.

    But the best I've been inside the ring with was Joe Calzaghe in sparring. Beforehand, I thought he were quite boring to watch and looked as if he slapped but, **** me, he punches hard. If he slapped, Bernard Hopkins would've stood toe-to-toe with Joe, but he [Hopkins] got on his bike, didn't he? If Joe and Nigel had fought, I think Joe would have been able to take the pain and would've ended up hurting Nigel, bit like Michael Watson did.''

    --- Tony Booth

    ''I thought I'd been hit by a lorry''

    --- Karl Barwise

    ''This kid has everything''

    --- Spencer Alton

    ''I've never been hit so hard and so often''

    --- Andy Flute

    "After working with Robin Reid last month I was already buzzing, but when the call came to work with Joe, well he's the best on the planet," he told Seconds Out.

    "I was invited down to work with Joe for five days and I've enjoyed every minute. This has been a fantastic opportunity for me.

    "I can see why he's the champ now. Joe punches hard and fast''

    --- Tony Quigley

    ''Calzaghe can punch very hard''

    --- Nicky Piper

    ''A lot of people think Joe can't punch but he's actually very heavy handed''

    --- Enzo Maccarinelli

    The hardest puncher I fought (long pause) that?s a real tough one

    ''I dished out a lot more punishment than I ever took during my career, but I'd have to say the toughest and most exciting fight I ever had was with Joe Calzaghe,'' Brewer said.

    Joe was not a one-punch KO kind of guy, but he overwhelmed guys; he had those ridiculous combinations! And I deviated from my game-plan that night in Wales, and we just warred; we went two-to-toe for 12-rounds. It was a battle of heart and guts. Joe was just a great technical, mentally draining, puncher''

    --- Charles Brewer
     
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  13. thehook13

    thehook13 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Losing your cognition, concentration, memory, motor functions and behaviour. Headaches, blurred vision. A terrible reality for many fighters. No two brain damage cases are the same either.
     
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  14. C.J.

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    Ive got to disagree there I'm afraid.... Every time a boxer gets in the ring he is literally putting his life on the line & to say what you did about its & abject nonsense hyperbole. Look how many young fit boxers have had their lives dramatically changed or several have lost their lives in the ring.. Boxing is a Dangerous sport No one should be able to cheat like this ,or to do anything that gives them an illegal unfair advantage over an opponent. I'd also rather see a fight stopped too soon save a fighter, than to see one left to carry on when there is obviously no chance of them winning. The onus for that is on the referee to not only enforce the rules, but to also protect the boxers. Anyone proven guilty of such acts should be banned permanently from the sport with no exceptions