Why are boxing judges incompetent?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by MrStayman, Oct 9, 2007.


  1. MrStayman

    MrStayman Active Member Full Member

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    In many fights there is a clear, correct way to score some rounds, yet judges give the round to the wrong man. Why is this?

    I watched Taylor-Pavlik Round 1 a few times on 1/4 speed. Here are all the punches that landed:

    Taylor:
    2:52 - Jab
    2:34 - Stiff elbow
    2:25 - Glancing hook
    2:09 - Jab
    2:06 - Weak jab
    2:01 - Glancing hook
    1:46 - Jab
    1:31 - Strong jab (Snapped head back)
    1:09 - Hook to body
    1:01 - Hook
    0:56 - Strong jab
    0:20 - Glancing hook

    Pavlik:
    2:36 - Weak body jab
    2:30 - Strong jab (Snapped head back)
    2:27 - Weak jab
    2:21 - Jab
    2:21 - Right hand to body
    2:19 - Strong jab
    2:14 - Jab
    1:51 - Jab
    1:48 - Strong jab
    1:44 - Weak jab
    1:43 - Clinch punch
    1:42 - Clinch punch
    1:40 - Clinch punch
    1:37 - Clinch punch
    1:20 - Jab, followed by flush right hand
    1:18 - Jab
    1:05 - Strong jab
    1:02 - Glancing hook
    0:57 - Glancing jab
    0:46 - Right hand (not flush)
    0:44 - Right hand to body
    0:40 - Strong jab
    0:29 - Jab
    0:26 - Jab
    0:24 - Measuring jab followed by flush right hand. Finished up with a headbutt.
    0:23 - Weak jab
    0:11 - Measuring jab followed by another right hand
    0:10 - Measuring jab, followed by a stiff jab
    0:05 - Right hand (not flush)

    The only flush punches that Taylor landed were two jabs. Pavlik landed five flush jabs that snapped taylors head back. Pavlik also landed two flush right hands, and a couple other right hands that weren't flush, but did jolt Taylors head a bit.

    The disparity here is clear cut, yet, the judges gave the round to Taylor :patsch:patsch

    I understand that they don't have the luxury of slow motion replay, but they are professionals and paid to do their jobs :-(. It is ridiculous how they have no accountability for **** poor scoring.

    Why do judges score rounds incorrectly so often??

    Also, the biggest joke in boxing is DAN RAFAEL, who gave every round to Taylor except the 7th. Shouldn't he be fired for being such a dip****??? Why the **** does espn pay that fraud?
     
  2. Jose FM

    Jose FM Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I had it 4 rounds to 2 for Pavlik, i can see how it could have gone either way, but 5-1 and 6-0 Taylor is ridiculous
     
  3. bmf95b

    bmf95b Boxing Fan Full Member

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    Taylor was the IN HOUSE FIGHTER... C'mon guys you should know better tha that.
     
  4. theunderdog

    theunderdog Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    because some people pay them to be incompetent
     
  5. amhlilhaus

    amhlilhaus Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think it's because the athletic commissions don't hold them accountable. if the judges **** up a fight, they should be called in to review the fight and explain like say in holyfield v. lewis 1 in the middle rounds lennox almost ko's holyfield, chases him all over the ring yet 2 of the judges give the round to holyfield. if they can't explain why they scored a fight logically then they should be put on probation, and if they have too many in a couple of years time frame then they should be suspended for a year, do it twice and they're barred. it's not too difficult, not saying it's easy to judge but some of the fights they score can't be any other reason than incompetence or they're bribed.
     
  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    They are born without souls. Some people think they are intentionally bred that way.
     
  7. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    It just goes to show the " Fix " was in for Taylor have Pavilk not knocked him out. We have seen thsi crap before. Tito vs De la Hoya comes to mind as the scoring in that fight was terrible with judges giving Ocsar the 12th just to make up for the BS in eariler rounds.

    Boxing writers are getting ready to come up with a BS file list of poor judging with the hopes of listing the judge’s names on questionable score cards. The fans of boxing deserve good judges, not judges picked and paid by promoters and networks.
     
  8. bumdujour

    bumdujour Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think judges sitting at ringside is totally outdated.

    they only get to see one angle of the fight. they need to sit in front of a tv that give them multi angles.
     
  9. crash

    crash Active Member Full Member

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    ive allways thought judges should be watching the fights on monitors,away from the distractions of the crowd and such,
     
  10. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Have you ever sat at Ring side? You really get a feel of who is making the fight, and who is hurt. TV can't deliver this in the same way,

    On the flip side, TV can offer better viewing angles and replay.
     
  11. bumdujour

    bumdujour Well-Known Member Full Member

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    who is making the fight??? well, if the crowd is impartial, maybe.

    but go to some european country where the whole nation is screaming everytime the local hero tries to throw a punch........then the judges who will not get to see every angle will get a real ****ed up image of the fight.

    thats the reason why there are so many "hometown decisions" in boxing!!

    put the judge in a mute box with a tv, and you´ll get a fair result.
     
  12. gutto

    gutto Guest

    got to wonder why this happens all the time watching the fight on a screen could be the way foward. I would be the first to admit if your fav fighter is fighting it hard not to see thru rose tinted classes or be swayed by the crowd .judges must have fav fighters do we need non boxing fans as judges away from the fight. why should we all be accountable for our actions at work and these ****er are not
     
  13. nervousxtian

    nervousxtian Trolljegeren Full Member

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    Actually the bias here seems to be the original poster, who seems very biased towards Pavlik.

    Give it up already.
     
  14. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Power tends to corrupt, absolute power corrupts absolutely - there must be a feedback system cycle ( positive or negative) to put the ringside judging into a more "democratic" but still efficient system so that we get less debatable results... Not that it would erase "outside" influences and bias of course.
     
  15. MrStayman

    MrStayman Active Member Full Member

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    No matter what fight I picked to demonstrate my example, someone would claim bias. That's why I took the time to record every punch that wasn't blocked or dodged. This gives objectivity, which makes any bias not matter.

    I chose this fight because it was watched by everyone and still in everyone's memory. I took the time to record every punch, and double check, so that nobody could make the claim that judges are always competent.