Why are English fighters on the butt end of everyones jokes here?

Ward = PEDS

 

shane mosley was considered the next leonard after the oscar de la hoya fight.......didn't turn out that way did it.not by a wide margin.beat de la hoya,margarito,shot vargas x2(struggled in the first, mind)shot mayorga
(was way behind on points to any sane mind,but found the knockout punch
with seconds to go in the 12th) and collazo,who didn't turn up to fight.


lost to forrest x2,winky x2,cotto(i won't mention the mayweather fight,
as mosley had been out of the ring for about 16 months and was
overtrained when stepping in with floyd)

shane is a good fighter,don't get me wrong...... but he was nowhere
near the level of leonard nor did he warrant the kind of hype he was
getting in the states.

therefore i conclude he was massively over-hyped.

 

isnt khan always hammered by the english fans?

 

This is probably a pretty fair appraisal. Over here we are a smaller country so hence tend to get behind our boys much more on the world stage. We also have a press which is very good at whipping up nationalistic fever among the less knowledgeable (witness the way they persuade the casual football watcher that we have a chance of winning the world cup instead of the inevitable quarter final exit on penalties every 4 years). Most knowledgeable fans are completely realistic about the prospects of our teams/ fighters but there are always a few loons find their way onto the Internet.

Meanwhile, there are just as many U.S fans who display extreme bias toward their own, but it's mainly out of sheer ignorance and arrogance, I.e an inbuilt assumption that anything coming from the States has to be the best. For example, the whopper Bradley fan (can't remember his name) who was referring to Andriy Kotelnik as "Kotelneck or whatever his name is" and suggesting that Alexander should be fighting Lamont Peterson instead. Anyone with an ounce of sense knows that Kotelnik is one of the most respect 140lb contenders out there, a former WBA champ, has been in the ring 140 ratings longer than anyone besides Malignaggi and has mixed it with numerous top 10 fighters with some success (Witter, Mbaye, Rees, Maidana, Abdulaev). Peterson meanwhile fought one world class fighter (Bradley) and got whopped! Yet this poor clown honestly didn't know any better.

By the way guys, let's leave the Vietnam/world war flaming for the lounge, cheers!

 

I agree Mosley is a great fighter and does not belong on that list, but Brits almost universally ball fondle our fighters? Are you for real? Go and read some of the threads on the Brit forum then come back to us. Hatton, Calzaghe, Froch, Khan, Harrison all come in for piles of criticism!

 

[quote="TKO";6981486]This is probably a pretty fair appraisal. Over here we are a smaller country so hence tend to get behind our boys much more on the world stage. We also have a press which is very good at whipping up nationalistic fever among the less knowledgeable (witness the way they persuade the casual football watcher that we have a chance of winning the world cup instead of the inevitable quarter final exit on penalties every 4 years). Most knowledgeable fans are completely realistic about the prospects of our teams/ fighters but there are always a few loons find their way onto the Internet.

Meanwhile, there are just as many U.S fans who display extreme bias toward their own, but it's mainly out of sheer ignorance and arrogance, I.e an inbuilt assumption that anything coming from the States has to be the best. For example, the whopper Bradley fan (can't remember his name) who was referring to Andriy Kotelnik as "Kotelneck or whatever his name is" and suggesting that Alexander should be fighting Lamont Peterson instead. Anyone with an ounce of sense knows that Kotelnik is one of the most respect 140lb contenders out there, a former WBA champ, has been in the ring 140 ratings longer than anyone besides Malignaggi and has mixed it with numerous top 10 fighters with some success (Witter, Mbaye, Rees, Maidana, Abdulaev). Peterson meanwhile fought one world class fighter (Bradley) and got whopped! Yet this poor clown honestly didn't know any better.

By the way guys, let's leave the Vietnam/world war flaming for the lounge, cheers![/quote]
Oh, I see. If a Brit happens to be way off base its because of loyalty or an over zealous media, but if an American is off base, its ignorance and arrogance.

How objective of you.

 

[quote="TKO";6981550]I agree Mosley is a great fighter and does not belong on that list, but Brits almost universally ball fondle our fighters? Are you for real? Go and read some of the threads on the Brit forum then come back to us. Hatton, Calzaghe, Froch, Khan, Harrison all come in for piles of criticism![/quote]

Put this ****-wit on your ignore list TKO, his posts aren't worth the reading time.

 

Yes. He gets as lots of critisism from English fans as he does elsewhere. It's just people tend to focus on the few nuthugger, but most fighters have them of course.

 

I`ll just shag your sister instead.

 

His boyfriend is on holiday so he`s looking for a stand in.

 

So Ward beats Kessler while at same time REFUSES to leave his hometown (calzaghe wannabeitus maybe?) and that makes him deserving all his praise?.
Kessler btw is someone that many claim was over rated when they try and nit pick calzaghe, and that was amuch much harder version of kessler.
As for refusing to figth away, one of the biggest critisicms thrown at UK fighters is how they hide in their own backyard...yet ward is allowed?
Double standards no?

 

This idea of fighters "hiding" in their own country is one of the biggest double standards some U.S boxing fans come out with. All other things being equal, of course a fighter is going to prefer to defend his title in his home country. For the likes of Jones, Hopkins, Toney, Mosley, Mayweather, Dlh it's perfectly understandable. For anyone who is not from the US it's "hiding". Go figure!

 

I'm being completely objective, I have no incentive not to be, just telling it the way I see it. There are some of my fellow UK fighters who may overhype fighters due to patriotism. Some of the U.S posters (not anywhere near a majority but still a few) seem to have this impression that anyone who is not either from the U.S or fighing there he may as well not exist. I.e the quoted example with Kotelnik.

 

Why? Because I ran circles around you, you tool??

 

[quote="TKO";6981486]This is probably a pretty fair appraisal. Over here we are a smaller country so hence tend to get behind our boys much more on the world stage. We also have a press which is very good at whipping up nationalistic fever among the less knowledgeable (witness the way they persuade the casual football watcher that we have a chance of winning the world cup instead of the inevitable quarter final exit on penalties every 4 years). Most knowledgeable fans are completely realistic about the prospects of our teams/ fighters but there are always a few loons find their way onto the Internet.

Meanwhile, there are just as many U.S fans who display extreme bias toward their own, but it's mainly out of sheer ignorance and arrogance, I.e an inbuilt assumption that anything coming from the States has to be the best. For example, the whopper Bradley fan (can't remember his name) who was referring to Andriy Kotelnik as "Kotelneck or whatever his name is" and suggesting that Alexander should be fighting Lamont Peterson instead. Anyone with an ounce of sense knows that Kotelnik is one of the most respect 140lb contenders out there, a former WBA champ, has been in the ring 140 ratings longer than anyone besides Malignaggi and has mixed it with numerous top 10 fighters with some success (Witter, Mbaye, Rees, Maidana, Abdulaev). Peterson meanwhile fought one world class fighter (Bradley) and got whopped! Yet this poor clown honestly didn't know any better.

By the way guys, let's leave the Vietnam/world war flaming for the lounge, cheers![/quote]

Fair enough!

Cheers!