Why are fighters more successful at a older age now?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Fergy, May 15, 2017.


  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Actually it's a huge stretch ignoring it for athletic competition.
     
  2. Jamal Perkins

    Jamal Perkins Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Percentile U.
     
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  3. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    My grandma might live to be 100. It doesn't mean her athletic prime was later than someone who died at 75.

    The average white person in the US lives longer than the average black person. I don't think that has anything to do with the prime of a professional athlete.

    Basically, I don't follow unless I see the right stats. Boxers still generally turn pro as young men and fight until they decide not to. It's not like the death rate of athletes aged 20-50 was much different back then compared to now.
     
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  4. lufcrazy

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    Atheltes are a subset of people though, a sample of the population.

    What was considered old at one point is not considered old any more.

    I don't care enough about the topic to go into detailed statistical analysis, I'm just telling you an answer to the op.

    If someone asks me what colour is the sky, I'll tell then blue, I just cba telling them why.
     
  5. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    I don't see it. People didn't live as long back then largely due to infant mortality and poorer health care for the 50+ crowd. If you were healthy enough to turn pro back then, percentiles wouldn't explain being past it at a younger age. Anyone who turned pro would have a pretty normal life expectancy ahead of them. The other factors mentioned in this thread make more sense to me.
     
  6. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    I see your point. If a man was fit and healthy enough turn professional, say 70 years ago, what's the difference in him fighting till he's 40 than a professional fighting today till he's 40? There both the same healthy guys. They wouldn't have aged any quicker. The only difference is back then, more fight s per person, so that may be why they put the years on.
     
  7. lufcrazy

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    It's fine, not everyone sees stats the way mathematicians do, that's life I guess.
     
  8. HerolGee

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    why?

    if anything I would think wear and tear is more extensive with excessive body weight.
     
  9. jowcol

    jowcol Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What everyone else said plus the "they fought more fights back then!" which was brought up.
    Look at the Greatest, Sugar Ray. After turning pro he had, in 10-11 years, 133 ******* fights by the time of the St. Valentine's Massacre. Then went on to be a MW champ after retiring for a couple of years! Let Leonard, Hearns, etc...fight that many fights from age 20-30 and then attempt a comeback?
    They'd either have many more losses on their record, nowhere near Ray's 131-1-1 after dispatching Jake or drinking their breakfast in a wheelchair through a straw!
     
  10. Eddie Ezzard

    Eddie Ezzard Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Spot on, Reinhardt. imo. I said in another thread that it reflects badly on modern boxing that a fight in 2015 to decide the P4P best was contested between a 37 year old and a 35 year old, both fighting way above their natural weights. The fact is, the pool of talent is so shallow, fighters don't get exposed.

    I think here are other factors too like fewer fights, better 'supplements' or heavier gloves but an uncomfortable possibility is that boxing is no longer what it was. If it were, we'd all be over on the general forum.
     
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  13. JohnThomas1

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    This is a GREAT thread and a large variety of 100% relevant factors have been identified. It's a combination of things for sure.
     
  14. Fergy

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    Your right John, there's so many different reasons been thrown up. It's one of those subjects that can't be answered I believe by just one theory. But it's there, it's a fact, fighters are doing better at more advanced ages than they were even as little as 30 years ago. Hagler was seen as old when he lost to leonard, Holmes to spinks. Yet now we have Hopkins winning titles at nearly 50, foreman and klitschko putting up great fight s in there forty s. Would have seemed incredible and impossible years ago.
     
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  15. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    HGH and peptides, incredibly hard to catch.
    HGH is the "fountain of youth" among PEDs

    Fighters are also better managed and take less risks, take less punishment.
     
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