Why are p4p lists so inconsistent?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Sugah Jay, Sep 22, 2014.


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  1. Sugah Jay

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    i've seen ray leonard in the top 10 in some atg lists when he only has like 40 fights but yet he's ranked higher than guys with 200+ records. that makes absolutely no sense at all and im starting to lose faith in certain hardcore boxing fans because the idea of p4p rankings is to rank fighters based on accomplishments. what has ray leonard accomplished with only 40 fights? floyd has more fights than him and i believe he's beaten more champions than him but floyd isn't even ranked on certain lists. at this point there's too many biases and agendas being pushed for anyone's opinion to be taken seriously. isn't there a certain criteria that fighters need to meet to be considered ATGs?
     
    Sugah Jay, Sep 22, 2014
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  2. lufcrazy

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    Different criteria basically.

    I look at how good a boxer is and split them that way.
     
    lufcrazy, Sep 23, 2014
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  3. Flea Man

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    Ray beat better champions.

    The likes of Guerrero, everyone Floyd beat at 140, Victor Ortiz at 147...they're not champions by any stretch of the mark.
     
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  4. The General

    The General Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Duran, Hearn, Benitez , hagler are far more impressive wins than anyone floyds ever beat
     
    The General, Sep 23, 2014
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  5. Foxy 01

    Foxy 01 Boxing Junkie banned

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    Because generally speaking p4p lists are seen through rose tinted glasses.

    The best example of this is the aforementioned Leonard being ranked above Duran. No silly Catchweights, no ring size demands, no stips on the type of gloves to be worn, no referee preferences. Just turn up and fight, yet STILL Leonard fanboys try to convince themselves their darling ranks higher.
     
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  6. Sugah Jay

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    so in terms of accomplishments why exactly is ray leonard ranked so high besides his wins over HOFs?
     
    Sugah Jay, Sep 23, 2014
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  7. The General

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    why wouldn't he be? he has wins against 4 ATG's
     
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  8. LittleRed

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    Because it's all bull****. It's entertaining bull crockery but it's mostly arbitrary. It's art more than math. The difference between Muhammad Ali and Terrence Alli is vast. The difference between Ali and Benny Leonard, separated by 100 pounds and decades is in actuality negligible and impossible to ascertain with any degree of certainty.
     
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  9. Sugah Jay

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    and floyd has also fought 4 atgs so what's ur point?
    hernandez
    marquez
    dela hoya
    mosley
     
    Sugah Jay, Sep 23, 2014
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  10. Terhon

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    :lol:

    Yes, those 4 are equal to Hearns, Hagler, Duran, Benitez

    :roll:
     
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  11. Sugah Jay

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    i didn't say they were equal, i just stated that they were ATGs.
     
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  12. Flea Man

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    Genaro Hernandez is not an all time great. Unless you think Sammy Serrano is as well.
     
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  13. The General

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    Hernandez is not an ATg
    Marquez was old and brought up 2 divisions
    Dela Hoya was basically shot
    Mosley was shot

    Leonard took 3 years off and moved up what today would be two divisions to face a prime hagler
    He faced a prime Duran
    He faced a prime hearns
    He faced a prime benetiez

    Your either really dumb or just trolling
     
    The General, Sep 24, 2014
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  14. Flea Man

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    It was one division really, considering Leonard had already been the light middleweight champion when he beat Kalule, who incidentally was far better than Genaro Hernandez as well.
     
    Flea Man, Sep 24, 2014
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  15. Foxy 01

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    Above are prime examples of Leonard fanboyism.

    Prime Duran - Lost
    Prime Hearns - Weight drained to a point of stupidity.
    Prime Benitez - Bollocks!! The guy was already a well known coke head ( not to mention boozer ) by the time Leonard fought him.

    Hagler. - Legitimate fight, but still highly contested by both sides even today.
     
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