Why are people favoring Pavlik over Abraham?

I certainly don't... Ive always said that Abraham has the style to beat Pavlik... He has that perfect style...

Then again, I think Taylor can outbox Abraham to a decision..

Styles makes fights is funny like that..

 

I've watched the fight on an internet stream. Perhaps I missed something, the fight in a whole was imho very boring and Pavs performance wasn't that good. He got hit a couple of times by Rubio.

Regarding my comment on Pavlik's style I'd like to point out that I'm talking of taking the risk to get hit. Pavlik doesn't care to get hit. He moves forward constantly. In my eyes to "outbox" somebody means to fight clever, use the jab and then stay away to avoid to get hit. Pavlik doesn't fight like that, does he?

 

Abraham is a big puncher and he caught Miranda with some good shots. I said earlier that Pavlik would have the beating of Abraham but he isn't that good that he knocks his opponents out in their next fight as well.

If anything, Miranda was probably over-confident when AA KOed him, having won the first few rounds and won their first fight according to everyone except the judges.

 

Pavlik gets hit less than you think. To him "hit" does not mean someone made contact. But he does pick off lots of shots with his gloves, uses head and body movement. Perhaps your stream didn't allow you to pick that up. Pavlik showed a ton of patience in the Rubio fight. Several times the crowd went wild because Rubio went to the ropes and they figured the end was near, but Pavlik would back off after delivering some damage. His team announced they would get back to more 'boxing' for that fight. AA is in for a rough night if this fight happens.

 

Miranda didn't win the first fight. That's a fact. If you think Miranda has won the first fight - fine. In my opinion Abraham has won it and even without the help of the referee (who followed the rules of the IBF btw) he would've won. Abraham earned to win anyway, because of Miranda's inability to ko him.

 

Here's a list of middleweights who took Arthur Abraham past 10 rounds:

Nadar Hamdan
Ian Gardner
Howard Eastman
Shannon Taylor
Kofi Jantuah
Edison Miranda
Khoren Gevor
Elvin Ayala
LuJaun Simon.

Now here's a list of middleweights who took KP past 9 rounds . . . . . :bananamaniac

Out of the list of guys who took AA into deep water the best of the bunch failed to last 7 rounds with KP. The odds of this fight ending with a KO are extremely high, and they clearly favor Pavlik who has a higher KO ratio against better opposition, and has not allowed a middleweight to finish on his feet since a 6 rounder on September 14, 2002.

There are 3 ways Pavlik can win this fight:

Option 1: Control Arthur with his jab and those long left hooks from outside. When Arthur gets tired of that left hook coming around his guard, and starts moving away from it, hit him with rights hands. Stay patient, control the fight from outside, and just box his way to a wide UD. The problem here is that this does not sound like a Kelly Pavlik fight AT ALL.

Option 2: Blitzkrieg -- Lightning Warfare -- Arthur is a slow starter who prefers to study his opponent before committing. Don't give him a chance. Just ambush his ass right from the opening bell. When under pressure AA goes to the ropes. That's where Pavlik's victims go to die. This would be a short and dramatic fight. Very high risk, but the KO would be sensational, so it's also high reward.

Option 3: He can just go out and be who he is. A stalker who applies constant pressure and makes opponents pay for pretty much every flaw and mistake. This is what I expect: Pavlik KO8 Abraham.

 

As you may already know I don't share your opinion, but let's hope we can have a good discussion afterwards...IF it happens

 

I think due to styles Abraham can beat Pavlik.
It's a very good match-up anyway.

 

@Hermit: this is what I meant by "this isn't Pavlik's style".
@Boo: Only option 3 is valid, you said it yourself. If Pavlik is able to put so much pressure on AA that he is unable to do his thing (a "controlled ropeadope") then Pav is going to win - but: I doubt it! :tong

 

Gotta differ from Boo. Option 1 was the Rubio fight in many regards.

 

But the Rubio fight was a show for the hometown fans. That's why Pav let him off the hook 4 or 5 different times. Remember Leonard Pierre? Same deal; the plan was to carry Pierre for several rounds, but he started getting wild, swinging for the fences with everything he threw, so Jack told Kelly, "Okay, he's gettin' dangerous now. Go ahead and knock him out." Rubio NEVER got dangerous.

 

Their fighting styles are completely different. There is no doubt that Abraham has more KO power than Pavlik but isn't as good at pretty much anything else. It might take Abraham until the later rounds until he lands his big shot but the point is he can do it at anytime. Pavlik is more systematic and wears down fighters, he doesn't have as powerul a punch as Abraham.

To throw a statistic back at you, Abraham had one fight at above 160lbs since becomming world champ and KOed his opponent in the fourth round. Pavlik has had two and they both went the distance.

Abraham has never been down, Pavlik has so if anyone is likely to get hurt it's more likely to be Pavlik.

I think Pavlik wins but only if he takes option 1 or maybe 3, but he has to be more conservative than normal.

 

Ya option 3 is the best approach. That's what has worked in most of KP's fights, and Arthur is not a guy you want to experiment with:nono

 

You must admit you are in a minority with that view and a very small minority if you think AA won without the 5 points that the ref took from Miranda.

I've only watched the fight with German commentary and I don't know what the justification for all the point deductions were but if it was for low blows then they were ridiculous.

I agree that if Miranda was the powerhouse he makes himself out to be he should have finnished off AA and would also say that he was lucky not to get disqualiied for the headbutt, but given that he didn't, he should have won on points.

 

But the point is HE CAN AND HAS used Option 1 so I wouldn't rule it out against Abraham. Just try and take the fight out of him over the early rounds...