Why are people underestimating the speed and workrate issues???

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  1. Astola

    Astola Its a fact. Full Member

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    Over the past weeks peoples predictions have changed from "Calzaghe thrashes B-Hop" to "B-Hop wins by close ud".

    :huh


    B-Hop is pretty slow and his workrate is nothing compared to Calzaghes.

    These facts combined with Calzaghes chin and in-out movement are apparently being nullified by......WHAT???

    Please enlighten me - I cant see B-hop beating these superior skills with counterpunching and tactics.

    What is going on?
     
  2. PUNCHDRUNK

    PUNCHDRUNK Darth Booth Full Member

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    It's the passport, man.:yep
     
  3. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    Punches landed, not punches throw determine the outcome of the fight ... B-Hop might not have as high of workrate but he's more accurrate and kepts a consistant pace.

    All that you're naming Astola don't mean **** against a fighter like B-Hop.

    B-Hop will often clinch ... often hold and hit ... foul ... everything he can to lower Calzaghe's workrate.

    He's not going to fight Joe's fight ... he's going to force Joe to fight his fight, something that Joe has never experienced fighting fillers.
     
  4. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    Because activity level and speed mean squat against a guy who will headlong rush into you and tie you up.
     
  5. fitzgeraldz

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    He doesn't have the experience in high profile fights ... he never fought in the US before ... he's never fought an fighter on B-Hops level ...

    You may say Kessler but Kessler's no where near close to being on B-Hops level. To say that Kessler would beat B-Hop would be the same as saying that Kessler beat Calzaghe.

    B-Hop and Calzaghe are very close in class ... and that class is a step above where Kessler is.
     
  6. Astola

    Astola Its a fact. Full Member

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    Why doesnt fx speed apply on B-Hop? Thats simply a mystery to me?

    The last sentence is something I used before Calzaghe - Kessler. And man, Calzaghe just changed his style.
     
  7. markbrooklyn

    markbrooklyn Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Calzaghe won't be able to rush in with his head down throwing wild shots like he likes to do because he will feel Hopkins right hand and won't like it.. Trust me! He'll get stopped in his tracks. To have a chance at beating Hopkins Calzaghe will have to make him respect his power.. And that remains to be seen.
     
  8. fitzgeraldz

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    Oh yeah don't let Calzaghe cut like Winky did ... its nothing for Nard to make an intentional butt look like it was unintentional.

    Its nothing for Hopkins to low-blow on one side while the ref is on the other side.

    Its nothing for B-Hop to hold on one side and hit with the free hand.

    He knows all the tricks of the trade and will use every one to his advantage.

    Bika was obviously dirty, but Hopkins is a sneaky dirty ...
     
  9. Astola

    Astola Its a fact. Full Member

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    Could be.

    Another thing is that predictions usually "soften up" when fights are nearing. But this total shift is strange.
     
  10. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    I don't understand what you wrote ????

    explain:huh
     
  11. fitzgeraldz

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    Calzaghe has never seen a right hand as consistant and as accurrate as B-Hops. He throws it many ways and at times he will throw, follow through, and clinch all at the same time.

    Speed plays no part ... he's been fighting guys faster than him for years ...
     
  12. Shane

    Shane Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Want to see a great example of how workrate gets nullified check out Williams vs Quintana.
     
  13. Astola

    Astola Its a fact. Full Member

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    How does B-Hop nullify speed?


    I used to say that Calzaghe had never faced an opponent of Kesslers caliber, who could put pressure, precision and intelligence up for 12 rounds.
    I was right but Joe adapted when he knew he couldnt win the fight with his normal approach.
     
  14. rusticraver

    rusticraver Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Calzaghe aint no williams
     
  15. ThePlugInBabies

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    :rofl

    he went in to the MEN arena knowing that all you ****ing yanks predicted lacy would rip his head off and smashed him into a million pieces.

    he's fought in front of 30k and then in front of over 50k against kessler you dimwit.

    calzaghe knows all about the big occasion.