why are so many people fixated on Fury-Usyk?

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  1. Leeroy84

    Leeroy84 Lancashire-la-la-la Full Member

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    Tyson Fury has won every belt put in front of him. An undefeated in 33, 6ft 9 behemoth that moves like no one his size ever has. The man who went on a mad coke and food binge, turning himself into the disgusting blob before losing it all to come back beating to a pulp long reining WBC champ, and arguably one of the hardest punchers of all time in Deontay Wilder, to attain the thrown. Not once, but twice, (should be thrice) away from home none the less. Having held all of Usyks current titles including dethroning long reining superchamp Wladimir Klitchko (again, away from home) who had been holding the titles with force for, was it 10 years!

    Generational talent vs generation talent to decide who is the man that no other can beat.

    These two are head and shoulders better than the rest.
     
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  2. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    To be completely honest, I've kind of given up on Fury deciding to accept a fight for undisputed...

    In many ways it's even more of a shame than Wilder avoiding the undisputed fight with Joshua - just because Usyk is a more pure talisman of what the sport is really about.

    Perhaps I'm too cynical, I just can't see it happening.
     
  3. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Fury would have proved himself a generational talent by cleaning out the division like Lennox Lewis did. He hasn't done so. We don't get to assume he would have beaten all the guys he for whatever reason didn't fight. He's beaten like 4 top 10 heavyweights. It would be like Lewis beating Ruddock, Tucker, Bruno, and Gary Mason and claiming that makes him the best of his era.
     
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  4. Antigoon

    Antigoon Well-Known Member Full Member

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    So what's all that got to do with Usyk? Does he really need to go through all your favorite contenders at age 36? Or does he deserve his shot at the undisputed title?
     
  5. Leeroy84

    Leeroy84 Lancashire-la-la-la Full Member

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    None of that matters.

    There are no two heavyweights fighters currently better than Fury and Usyk IMO. They hold all the belts, and we havn't had a unified champ since Lewis.
    You don't have to agree with me. But this is exactly how I see it.
     
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  6. NullaLexInk

    NullaLexInk Sometimes a fella's just gotta be movin' on Full Member

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    You're preaching to the choir with your last point brother. I've tempered my expectations quite a bit about Undisputed, and I'd be more than happy to see Usyk take on Hrgovic and Zhang and another name or two before retiring if it doesn't happen. I also have gone into detail on why I believe Zhang would give Fury a harder fight than some people are thinking.

    Like I said though, the interest in this particular matchup at this specific time lies in the combined factors of "Two skilled guys with no clear winner" and "uniting all the belts for the first time in over twenty years," not just the fact it would be a fight with a lot of skill involved. I'm sure there would be excitement even without the belts involved but the prospect of the first Undisputed Heavyweight champion has amplified it, just like it did for Fury-Joshua and Joshua-Wilder before it, just like it would if the belts are held by different people a year from now.
     
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  7. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    We don't rank people on what they hypothetically could do. Fury has a terribly thin resume and hasn't fought most of the top contenders of his own time. Shouldn't actual results trump hypotheticals? If Usyk doesn't fight Fury he will be missing out on a past-prime fighter whose reputation is largely based on what fans think he could do and not what he has done.
     
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  8. Leeroy84

    Leeroy84 Lancashire-la-la-la Full Member

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    There are no others. No other results have shown anyone worthy in truth. The associations, organisations, federations and councils have their champions. Dislike all you will.

    Until a time when rankings are unified, uncorrupt and fair. This is what we've got. Very basically "the eye test", completely subjective and riddled with bias.

    And the general consenus, whether you like it or not, is that Fury and Usyk are the two best right now. Hence the fixation.
     
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  9. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Semi-final A

    Belly vs The Dosser

    Semi-final B

    AJ vs Usyk

    Winner of semi-final A meets winner of semi-final B for undisputed

    Right?

    Nope, wrong

    The winners of each semi-final had to replay the losers in another round of semi-finals but had the losers won they both would've progressed immediately to the final

    Semi-final C

    Belly vs The Dosser

    Semi-final D

    AJ vs Usyk

    So finally the winner of semi-final C meets winner of semi-final D for undisputed

    Right?

    Nope, wrong

    Why so?

    Because one of the winners pooped his pantaloons and decided he wanted to fight a Dillian Whyte who had been sparked out cold in a HL reel KO of the Century type fashion by a shot 40 y/o 2 fights earlier, a shell of Chisora (for the third time), and then an inactive MMA fighter with a crook knee who has never boxed day before in his life rather than face the other finalist in his own backyard or Saudi in the final for undisputed :facepalm:
     
  10. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Still better than Zhang's and Hrgovic's, though. A lot so.
     
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  11. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Not recently he doesn't. Zhang beat Joyce in April 2023. That sure beats anything Fury did in 2022 or 2023. Also neither have been given the opportunities Fury has so that doesn't seem like a compelling argument.
     
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  12. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    Joyce was hopelessly overrated around here, though... He has a solid chin and a good jab, but he relies on that chin far too much because his defence is rudimentary and his evasion nonexistent, he's also painfully slow a lot of the time.

    He's not terrible, but he's a fringe contender at absolute max and certainly not the H2H nightmare he was getting hyped up to be.

    And yet...

    You're still not wrong :lol::lol::lol:
     
  13. fencik45

    fencik45 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    his "victory" over Klitschko was nothing to write home about.
     
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  14. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It’s a big deal cause it would be for undisputed. Fury is scared.
     
  15. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    So what Fury did before 2022 doesn't count at all? I don't agree. In the slightest.

    Also, beating Joyce and losing to Hrgovic is not better than beating Whyte and Chisora.

    Not been given opportunities? Just a moment ago you were big on what one actually has achieved, as opposed to guesses of what could of been.