Why Are The US Heavweights So Poor Now?

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  1. The Mighty One

    The Mighty One Well-Known Member Full Member

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    One reason is that the two main promoters Top Rank and Golden Boy have focused on the lighter weights many of whom do not even speak English and they appeal to the Hispanic portion of the population. Both promoters make deals with HBO and Showtime to feature their "stars" which do not include the heavier weights.

    Deontay Wilder
    David Rodriguez
    Malik Scott
    Joe Hanks
    Amir Mansou
    Jonathon Banks
    Bryant Jennings

    if presented correctly by interested promoters could be credible and top of the page contenders.
     
  2. Boxing Fanatic

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    hw contenders(pretenders) fighting c-n after c-n. too funny. guys like wilder, ortiz, mansour, price, boytsov. they could fight each other like the old days to fight the champ. im so tired of it lol
     
  3. TheRat

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    good one
     
  4. Absolutely!

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    What does being a full contact sport have to do with anything? We're talking about grass roots level here, not crossovers. Wake up and get with the program. Soccer drains potential athletes from boxing same as every other popular big money sport, only it drains them from all weight classes. What was Sergio Martinez's background? Cycling and soccer. Why did David Price become a boxer? Because he couldn't hack it in soccer. What is Hatton's first love and passion? Soccer.

    Stop being an ass yourself and thinking your country's unique in this regard.
     
  5. Absolutely!

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    Precisely. That's one of the major problems there. Fighters not fighting each other.

    Who cares how athletic they are if they're just going to pad their records fighting bums?
     
  6. Absolutely!

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    Football (soccer) first, then, depending on the country, tennis, rugby, cricket, basketball...

    Boxing's way down the list wherever you go. That's something a lot of Americans can't seem to understand.
     
  7. Absolutely!

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    Absolutely. If those ****ers actually fought each other, and other credible opponents, didn't take lengthy breaks recovering from injuries, landing themselves in jail or just being lazy arses then you'd have a decent bunch of contenders on your hands.

    Banks, Jennings and even Mitchell are the best of the bunch because they've actually been willing to mix it up with solid level fighters. Chambers and Cunningham even more so.

    Fighters become good through fighting, not by some mystical athleticism index. That's always been the case.
     
  8. Mr "T"

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    And this cat probably probably hits floor early as well, as would many of the football players
    Just being a physical speciman doesn't mean you win in the ring
     
  9. tezel8764

    tezel8764 Boxing Junkie banned

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    In relation the Heavyweight landscape nowadays, the gap between the K2 and next Heavyweight is pretty big. I mean you see most of the Klitschko opponents have pretty **** records.

    The question to me is, How do you prepare to face these guys when most of the other B-Level guys are ****? :conf
     
  10. Absolutely!

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    That's always been the case until now. Suddenly seven foot freaks from the NBA and juiced up muscleheads are seen as potential heavyweight greats being cruelly ripped from our sport by the lure of big money contracts, allowing all the commies to have their fun. Jesus Christ.

    Has anyone even seen Frazier try to do anything remotely athletic outside of boxing? Or Foreman?
     
  11. madballster

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    Boxing doesn't offer long-term income-based contracts like basketball, football or soccer do.

    Which contract what you choose? Become a pro boxer and make 50k on your debut fight, and continue to do so 3 times a year. If you lose twice in a row you're pretty much done and can go to flipping burgers at Wendys. Luck plays a big role. Picking the right opponents, not getting a freak cut in a fight etc.

    Or get drafted by one of the clubs, get a 500k+ net guaranteed income a year for the next 3 years, with a chance of extending it until you're 35.

    Hypothetically let's say you're ranking at #55 in your profession (NBA/NFL/Soccer/Hockey or Boxing). Where do you make the most money for the least career/health risk? Definitely not in boxing.
     
  12. Arran

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    you act like all these 'euro' countries have boxing scholarships
     
  13. Arran

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    interesting....seeing as you have 4 million adults playing ''soccer'' (17 million people in total)..more than any other nation on earth and more than play NFL......yet you still produce MW, SMW (well one), and LHW....yet less people are in NFL....but you cant produce a HW? I think your logic is floored.

    all our super middle weights are playing football.

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    *insert x-amount of ripped players to prove the point as with nfl players*
     
  14. bailey

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    I think Its down to being matched too soft on the way up and not taking chances until they have become too comfy and relaxed.
    There are far more active American HWs than all of the European countries combined HWs, but the match making is far tougher in Europe
     
  15. tezel8764

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    It's the same thing here is Australia, you can play Rugby train for a couple of years to make over a million plus the lifestyle or train in obscurity for years in hope of a payday that may never come.