why are todays boxers only remembered for their losses.

The bar, in fact has been lowered by Floyd. Using his logic, Ali would have been a better fighter if he would have fought blown up light heavies and stayed undefeated.

 

Despite what he says, this idea is not confined to Americans. It goes far beyond that. It's a vain attempt at an ideal of perfection that has no place in reality. It is a fantasy, given shape through idolatry.



It's may not be confined to Americans, but the British are much more forgiving. For instance, if Amir Khan were American he would have never gotten a title shot less than a year after being destroyed in 21 seconds. It would have taken him years to rebuild his career are that debacle. As Patton said, right or wrong, we just can't stand a loser.

 

fighters fight like once twice three times a year you lose and sit out it makes you look like old news. Guys like Robinson Greb Pep fought as many times in a month then guys now do in a year making losses no big deal i mean robinson fought lamotta like 2X in a month or 2 monthes now a days war slash high profile matches have like 6-9 months in between

 

WTF . . . do you have any idea about the political spectrum (or boxing for that matter)?

 

Thats the problem Ali fought in a different time bro. Times have changed and this is the new way. People are judged by their losses whether you like it our not. This new way has been led in by Floyd Mayweather and todays boxing world. Tell me how much more in weight was Mayweather than Marquez since you want to say that stupid ****?

 

I see you definitely have no idea about boxing.

 

This thread is more a cultural reflection than one of boxing specifically. One prevailing thought relating to excessive fan behavior is that it is born out of unrealistic expectations. Look at where it started (European soccer stadiums) and when (about 30 years ago, when France, Spain, Italy, Greece, etc moved socialist). It doesn't take a long to see that America is now on the same path. We expect more from our athletes and entertainers now than ever before. Is it a reflection of our feeling limited in our own abilities to achieve? Who knows, but the theory is relevant here.

 

Very good thread, really interesting points, I feel it's the money that has changed the sport the most. The promoters and the media all try to milk fighters too much tbh. My favourite fighters recently are cotto and jmm just because they don't give up their careers just because of a loss or two. Fans are too critical as well. I support Sunderland afc and a quick google search will show the yanks on
here i've had a lot of bad times as well as good in doing so. You just learn to roll withbit when you lose and hope for the best next time out. I know boxing fans don't have as many opportunities to do so but I still think they should rather than just abandoning a fighter after a loss. Lol at the valuev vs the world comment. I think snv stops the world with an crunkercut onside the first 20 seconds

 

I agree with you . . . this is a different era and the "0" is used as a marketing tool for those who have it. Like it or not PBF and to a much lesser extent (on many levels) so has Joe Calzaghe.

In the end the cream will rise to the top regardless of the L on their record and undefeated fighters (like Joe Calzaghe) will be remembered as solely regional champions.

 

My typing is terrible on this damn I phone sorry

 

Actually its been proven time and time again losses don't mean **** it's what you do in and out of the ring. Manny has 3 losses on his record and he's P4P #1. It's only when you make your record the most marketable thing that it becomes a big factor. In Floyd's case, once he loses his 0 he's going to loose a lot of his appeal, because people pay to see him get beat.

 

good question. i think we follow the boxers these days more.media is my answer

 

I think you are making a huge leap in the Soviet model where they used their athletes as propaganda tools. The phenomenon in the west is totally different. Unfortunately, we have stop idealizing great leaders and thinkers because we place more value in money, fame and fortune. Therefore, our youth hold entertainers and sports figures as role models and now we hold them to a higher standard. This is what has lead to the search for perfection in our sports heroes. Besides you premise that the USA is more socialist now than before is absurd.

For example if the US was going down that path it would have welcomed an expansion of Medicaid to all it citizens. The current reform to health care is in fact the quite different from the socialist system because it is a form a corporate welfare used to subsidize the insurance industry. Besides Obama is only increasing regulation that will save th capitalist system.

 

Classic nut-hugger logic. Just because a guy fought two divisions down his entire career doesn't make him the smaller man. Ha!

 

Jasper -- I worked in lending when the government made us write loans to people with poor credit as a "pathway to home ownership" and we got blamed for the mess. Now that the government has placed so many rules that Donald Trump himself would barely qualified, we get blamed for not lending. There is no such thing as government run capitalism.