Why are Ward and Dirrell rated so high?

Mostly because even before the super 6 ward and dirrell were seen as very talented but also very green. Ward's biggest win before the S6 was miranda, then he goes into a fight with "now faded" Kessler and is expected to be outclassed, yet he outclasses kessler and beats him in a way noone ever has before. As for Dirrell everyone knows that fight with froch was "questionable" to say the LEAST. dirrell won that fight, then he bounces back from a loss and beats abraham, in a fight he was expected to lose. whether you feel they are overhyped or not they are top flight fighters at least in the 168 pound decision. Give them there credit

 

if ward dominates green in this next fight I can seem him making an appearance at the p4p listings.

 

This is some kind of a joke right?

You can feel free to start watching fighters and making your own determination, based upon their skill and physical ability, what you think they will be capable of in the near future. This is key to making money betting on fights. Let me put this in simple terms: If you only rate a guy as (such and such) based on what he has done already you will be wrong every time someone new comes along does something "better" than his resume suggests, and you will be crushed at the sports book. The Ward Kessler line was one of the lines of the century and I was happy to bet it. I didn't need to see the outcome of the fight to know Ward was going to knock this guys dick in the dirt. I knew this ahead of time and it had nothing to do with him beating Andy Kolle.

 

Joe is SSSSSSOOOOO over rated by his fans it makes other dislike him. His fans practically claim that he can walk on water. As for Ward and Dirrell they are highly skilled and talented fighters with huge upsides. No body claims that they can solve world hunger or turn water into wine.

to be fair Joe was one of the best at super middleweight ever but, that does not mean he should even be considered in the top 50 p4p all time or he could beat a prime RJJ. I think it is Calzaghe's fans that have ruined his rep and cause many to dislike him. I for one would love to go on these boards for one day and not see a stupid JC thread

 

Nobody is given them the distinction of the being the greatest fighter of all time. Calzaghe is great no doubt but he's retired.

At this current time those who give the credence to Ward or Dirrell do so on the basis that they are perceived to be the best fighters at 168 currently. This is largely a result of them coming in as underdogs and exceeding expecations with relative ease. By the way Kessler is man enough to admit that it wasn't his night and that he has since improved from the Ward fight. From what I know he hasn't gone around using a "headbutt" excuse or anything of that sort.

As for Ward and Dirrell being perceived as the best at 168; Will it remain that way? Well, the conclusion of the Super Six will determine that.

As for the greatest at 168?

Its between Roy Jones and Joe Calzaghe.

 

Let's also not forget who the favorites were going into the fight. Kessler, Abraham and Froch. Ward beat Kesller. Dirrell beat Abraham. Dirrell fought a close one against Froch. I'm not going to say he got robbed but it could have gone either way. Ward was 4th I think. Then Dirrell. Taylor last. That's how the bookies had it if my memory serves me. So for both of them to win was unexpected and hence they are rated higher than they were.

I dont like Ward, but as Hopkins has proved one can win fighting dirty. Would be really interesting if Green beats Ward putting this tourney upside down. At least it's been exciting to watch for the most part.

 

Thanks for the info. It lends more credibility when info like that is given other than just saying the guy is on roids.

 

Has Ward just had the one fight in the tourney?

 

Life on the other side of the fence.:!:

I finally know how Calzaghe fans feel how after he destroyed Lacy, the revisionists were in full force.

It aint pretty.

You know full well how the fight was supposed to go down. I can only recall 5 posters, myself included, who fully expected Ward to dominate and we were treated like heretics in thread after thread.

 

They have outboxed the people who were supposed to knock them out.

They are just getting the credit they deserved by showing they can compete well, and win, in the tournament.

 

People are just prejudice and don't care for the truth as long as they have another few idiots to agree with them they feel assured.

Most people can't see between the lines on why fights go the way they do. Dirrell knew froch couldn't hit him and froch knew too so he got dirty during the fight. Dirrell had a gameplan to box and stay away because froch can't fight that type of fight. Late in the fight dirrell started whippin froch's ass and froch still couldn't hit him when dirrell got aggressive. So dirrell comes out and gets aggressive with abraham like he's supposed to when he is the superior athlete. That dirrell that faught abraham knocks froch out. Dirrell can be aggressive and still not get hit. He worked on this and came out of almost every trade with abraham having landed the best and most of the time only shot. That takes a higher level of skill and that skill gives him the potential to be a GREAT.

Ward is also a level above the euro S6 fighters it the skills, talent, versitility and hand/footspeed. He can also stand and fire in the line of fire and not get wet. He used the BHOP technique against kessler which ended up in alot of headbutts. I still had no compasion for kessler because I knew that ward would fight him that way and that style is not unbeatable if you have footspeed.

Lastly Bute. This guy is the other skillful fighter out there. He moves well and uses his angles well. He is very strategic in his approach. Has power and hand/foot speed. The questions surrounding his attributes are the same ones surrounding dirrell's as in socalled toughness. Both guys are tough

For ranking.
Ward's dominating win over kessler is better than anything Bute has done.

Dirrell's dominating win over Abraham is better than anything Bute has done.

That's why people rate them higher than bute. I feel dirrell will beat bute and I'm not so sure about ward beating bute.

 

STFU you ****in idiot. I can't stand stupid **** like this. It has already been established that dirrell took a drug test at the hospital after the fight. He was only at the hospital for 3 hours so STFU. You just spreadin bull****. Not even hiding your bias either with that name. Look idiot, if that's your reason for dirrell easily beating AA and losing a gift decision to froch then you are an idiot.

Ward on the other hand is crazy for workin with conte but innocent until proven guilty and he doesn't look to be on steriods. When I looked at Vargas and Mosley when they got caught, It looked like maybe (especially for vargas) because they were ripped. Pacman maybe but he hasn't been caught so he never did it in my book. Still he physically looks like he could be and I can't say the same for ward who looks natural.

 

Whos been better and done more at the weight?