Why are we so biased/obsessed with old fighters/era's

Why are boxers in worse shape while fighting less frequently and lesser rounds if everything is better today, right? Kids get too butthurt too easily. Logan Paul KO 3 Ali

 

It's actually complete opposite most people are complete prisoners of the moment and cannot comprehend that the best ever isn't what they see currently

 

I don’t mind him quoting athletics data, but he’s not even looking at the fighters or the divisions.

He’s just making an assumption.

He’s making an assumption about boxing, using data from completely different sports.

If you produce a more powerful athlete in athletics, it can lead to a quicker time. A quicker time = Becoming faster. Becoming faster = Progress. But producing a more powerful athlete in boxing isn’t going to automatically make him a better boxer. Because becoming more athletic in boxing is only one factor along with many, many others.

Sprinting and swimming rely more on athletic performance.

Boxers rely more on an all round set of skills.

If he’s right and we’re wrong, then why are there a number of divisions today that are WEAKER than what they were 20-40 years ago?

Not one single knowledgeable boxing fan believes that today’s MW’s and SMW’s are as good as what they were in the 90’s.

Nobody believes that today’s HW’s are on another level to the ones of the early 90’s.

The sport of boxing ebbs and flows.

 

yeah but hw today throw more punches in 12 then old hw 15. mayweather or canelo have a way better connect/evade ratio then old fighters. Todays boxers are way more cut, have better nutrition and the general knowledge about the human body is much better. Look at guys like wlad or canelo they come on to the scale with an absolutely ridiculous shape, something you didnt see 30 40 years ago.
Training year around is as stupid as it gets, you think they train in camps because out of laziness or what?
Look how many coordination exercises are incorporated so guys like wilder and fury can move really fast for their ridiculous height.

 

More BS assumptions from you.

You are so ignorant.

It’s staggering.

Because YOU PERSONALLY didn’t see it, you assume that it didn’t happen.

WRONG.

You DID see those things 30-40 years ago.

Why don’t you go away and do some research.

Instead of telling us all that we’re stuck in a nostalgia bubble, why don’t you go and educate yourself and watch some fights from different eras. Go and look at the different divisions etc.

Again, there are a number of divisions today that are WEAKER than what they were YEARS AGO.

You are a casual fan.

 

more in 12 then in 15? Based on what? Your hunch? The record for punches between HW's was set in thew late 90's. Tua and Ibeabuchi.

Like I said, training methods are better today, I'm not disagreeing with that. But that doesn't mean anything when skill and technique are the same,. and today's HW's are fighting less often and fighting less rounds.

If you think fighters weren't cut or as in shape as Wlad or Canelo are now, you are simply showing your naivete.

But give me some examples of how today's HW's are better if you can.

 

He's just a butthurt noobie. Lil kids like to believe everything has gotten better today. Despite nothing to back that up other than vague assumptions and weak guesses.

 

You are talking about knowledge all the time, but somehow missed that kownacki and arreola actually broke that record a year ago.

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wlad is under 10% bf on here with veins popping all other his body. We are talking about an athletic level that wasnt even nearly matched by the 90s stars who were very big themselfs.
No pre 90s hw looked even close to that, let alone some one who was 6‘6.

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Just watch that right hand pull counter wilder throws 48:45. no hw in the 60s with the height of wilder could have done that. Ali even couldnt dodge 4 punches while stepping back to then land such a devasting shots on opponents that where 3-4 inches shorter on average then ortiz and weighted up to 30 lbs less. He would usually dodge a single jab and then cross it directly.

 

OK, so I was wrong about one fight. And that ONE fight dictated the entire era for you?

Why are you dead set on using Wlad as some example? I admire him for being a pro, coming in to shape all the time. Yes he does NOT represent the whole of the HW division.

What you say about "No hw in the 60..." means nothing. Mainly because it's obvious you don't have the knowledge to make such a statement with your limited exposure to fights then. You're just guessing.

 

Simply because back then they Fight the real Fights and no DUCKS - except in the pond.
No such thing as Cherry Picking - except in the farm.

And that's all Im gonna say...

 

Not to mention, only a couple of belts to fight for as well. Not 4-5 per division

 

show me a 6‘6 guy that does that, heck show me a 6 3 guy that does that.
Aj and wilder also come in in very good shape, aj is often a bit chubby but way better then anything you saw in the 60s, especially if you consider his height. Then you got guys like usyk, dubios joyce who also come in very good and even the fat pigs are was taller then old school fighters and have at least more muscle.

 

This isn't about height

 

ah ok so its just a coincidence that hw boxing is always dominated by guys that are way bigger and taller then the average hw?
Which was already the case during alis and foremans reign.

 

In a general sense, yes. Athletes do get better. They get bigger, stronger, faster etc. But it takes more than athletic ability to be a great boxer. I have yet to see a better overall athlete at super middleweight or light heavyweight than Roy Jones Jr. or a better athlete at heavyweight than Mike Tyson. And we know Tyson was at his best in the late 80s into the 90s. That's over 30 years and there hasn't been a heavyweight comparable to him. And RJJ was at his peak in the 90s.

So many things go into this ... And sport popularity matters as well ... Great athletes in America seem to gravitate more towards football and basketball. It makes sense too ... Boxing is way more dangerous and less chances to make it big. MMA has also likely taken talent from the sphere of boxing.