Why are we so biased/obsessed with old fighters/era's

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  1. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I'm nostalgic about film.
    I'm nostalgic about music.
    I'm nostalgic about art.
    I'm nostalgic about architecture.
    I'm nostalgic about culture.
    I'm nostalgic about cars.
    I'm nostalgic about television.
    I'm nostalgic about wrestling.
    I'm nostalgic about comics.
    I'm nostalgic about movie stars.
    I'm nostalgic about political movements.
    I'm nostalgic about entire eras.
    I'm nostalgic about the larger than life nature of fighters back in the day.

    Yet for some reason, I'm not even remotely nostalgic for the actual fights.

    You want the answer as to why. Rose colored hipster glasses, that is all.

    Not saying there isn't several fighters from the past that I adore, just not deluding myself to think they're some kind of unbeatable God, that no one from this era could compete with, I'm more reasonable and logical with my hero worship than most people.
     
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  2. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    Btw, imho we have been fortunate enough to watch a big part of the best LW to SWW fighters ever in the last 25 years.

    Names like mosley, de la hoya, trinidad, mayweather, pacman, whytaker, márquez, morales, barrera (sfw actaully) are ATGS. Ridiculously good ATGs, and we have watched all of them live. Maybe HW sucks, or have sucked lately, but in other weights we have been incredibly fortunate. LW to SWW has been STAKED as F in the last 25 years. Mindblowing.

    I bet the list of ATGs that we have seen in the las 25 years is the biggest list if we split the last 150 years in 25 years periods. Or at least I feel as if it were like that.

    not to talk about other weights with finito lopez, chocolatito, estrada, hopkins, roy jones... man.... had I chosen an era to witness... this one that we had the last 25-30 years is not bad at all..... not at all...

    I cant count the number of ATGs I've been fortunate enough to watch live. I consider myself lucky, tbh.

    People who watched SRR died without watching morales vs barrera I. SRR is cool, but morales vs barrera I is the best fight I've ever, EVER, watched. Same for the people who watched schmeling vs louis.
     
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  3. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This is it, really - in a nutshell!
     
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  4. JunlongXiFan

    JunlongXiFan 45-6 in Kirks Chmpionshp Boxing Predictions 2022 Full Member

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    Yeah, I'm sure Jack Johnson and Jack Dempsey would beat Wlad, AJ, and Fury like it was nothing, sure, grandpa. Back to sleep.
     
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  5. Kratos

    Kratos Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Jack Dempsey from the willard fight would beat joshua, wilder and fury so easily, those three wouldn’t be able to handle the fact that jack would be trying to kill them.
     
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    JunlongXiFan 45-6 in Kirks Chmpionshp Boxing Predictions 2022 Full Member

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    You are kidding, or serious? I don't mean offense but I cannot tell if it is satire.
     
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  7. Aussie Invader

    Aussie Invader Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    i think there's a lot of respect for fighters from earlier eras because there wasn't the prima donna, fight twice a year, fight whoever you want, catchweight/rehydration clause merry-go-round that you see all the time nowadays.
    everybody fought everybody for the most part.

    but you better believe that those legends of the past would've changed the way they did business if obscene amounts of $$$ were at stake and elite fighters didn't respect the fragmented federations, and in fact eclipsed them.
     
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  8. SmackDaBum

    SmackDaBum TKO7 banned Full Member

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    Heavyweightblog.com is a great read for OP. Mostly debating Klitschko era vs Ali's

    Ali's era stinks compared to the modern.
     
  9. The Townsend

    The Townsend Zeus. Full Member

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    And favourite fighter?
     
  10. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Ray Leonard, Hector Camacho, Ray Mancini, James Toney, Oscar de la Hoya, Roy Jones Jr., Erik Morales and Joe Calzaghe to name a few.
     
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  11. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think modern HW division fans does have a lot of rose coloured glasses.
    The level of competiton at HW division and matchups: the less predictable HW top fight 2020 th was only 1 fight.
    Fury vs Wilder II.
    Still fans gladly appreciate their idol's superstars choice to fight vs 39 y.o Pulev not 34 y.o Usyk and we all do know that even 40 y,o pre covid 224 lbs Povetkin was considerably more dangerous than Pulev.
    I think if fans doesn't have rose glasses they easily might see that this current Pulev version was less dangerous than CW Dorticos. Considerably less dangerous and still. It's heavyweight, therefore must be elite, the Best fights.
    LoL.
    Okey, we get surprise from 40 y.o 11 months old 224 lbs Povetkin that KTFOed 32 y.o 252 lbs dude declared as next guy to fight for a World Tittle.
    This HW division is not so competitive like CW division if lurking at top 10 top 12 there.

    This. Yes. Competitive matchups, fights with high risk.
    Now common are very long talks, a lot of different clauses.

    Like this. Orgs are looked like institutions to get a belt from.
    Don't like to defend X org tittle vs maybe not yet enough old mandatory?
    Defend Y org tittle vs enough old mandatory and vuala, there fighter still is looked as goat and champ.
     
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  12. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    They've evolved all right ,, backwards. Can you see Anthony Joshua fighting 15 hard paced rounds, Canelo? Me neither , there are 4 belts per division and it takes an act of congress to get them into the ring with each other. Spence is squabbling about money for a fight with Crawford, you ever hear Duran saying,,Oh! I can't fight Sugar Ray Leonard for that amount! Look at the champs in the 70's compared to today, there is no comparison, starting in the lower weights ,,,,Carlos Zarate , Wilfredo Gomez, Alexis Arguello, Roberto Duran , Ray Leonard, Wilfred Benitez , Pipino Cuevas ,Carlos Monzon, Bob Foster, Joe Frazier ,Muhammed Ali.......forget it!
     
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    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    almost like this, yeah.
    Also if boxing orgs trust to the promise " a tittle holder might have option to choose decent opponent for a tittle def fight if he is ranked at lest xx in this boxing org".
    Voluntary tittle defenses rarerly are done with enough dangerous for current champ opponents.
     
  14. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There should be a formula which takes into account how the older the fighter the more favorable he is in head to head matches. But that is normal. The older fighters are better known and their legacies have been made bigger by the years.
     
  15. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Double edged sword. better known fighter makes more wievership but not rarely is out of prime and over the hill. Less dangerous for up coming young, fast and mobile lion.