Why are you against Olympic style blood testing?

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  1. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    It really cant get any simpler than what you're proposing.
    That way we all know that anyone calling themselves a world champion is a fighter who's has been through the most up to date tests to ensure they're not juicing.

    I'd actually take it further then just Champions, I'd test any fighter ranked in the top 10 in any boxing orginization........there have been many fighters who dump there titles because they dont want to pay a sanctioning fee.......
    For example, Mayweather-Marquez was not for a title, but it was a big enough money fight where either of them could take advantage to juice, knowing they're not going to be testing in a non-title fight.
     
  2. See Me Flow

    See Me Flow The Pharaoh of Boxing Full Member

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    Mosley has committed to undergo OSDT, what's Manny Druguiao's excuse?

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  3. puga_ni_nana

    puga_ni_nana Dempsey Roll Full Member

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    i cannot force you to change your mind but please take a look at the history of how they have done testing in MLB. they took it step by step. and with random urine testing alone, the amount of players that got caught has dropped since they started a random program. you could not just force an olympic standard into a professional sports. there are too many factor involved.

    well, if the commission thinks that blood test is needed, they could add this too randomly but they must assure also the invasiveness of the procedure would not be detrimental to the schedule of the fighters.
     
  4. Uncle Oden

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    awesome point, man. I'm on board.
     
  5. dodong

    dodong >>PACQUIAO Full Member

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    Steroids, HGH and EPO according to articles that I've read shows up in urine tests. Pac had agreed to have his urine tested all the way to fight day. He also had agreed for 3 blood test, 2nd one as late as 24 days before the fight then right after the fight. Sudden unexplainable increase of his hemoglobin level will raise suspicion if he uses EPO on the 24 day window or tranfuse blood into his system.
     
  6. puga_ni_nana

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    MLB has cut down on incidence of steroids abuse on an effective program. we could not just let the top fighters be subjected to these different test and another set test for lowered ranked fighter. in order to implement an effective program, the rule must be across all boxers. it's not only the top fighters who are taking illegal substance.
     
  7. See Me Flow

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    Please provide source and links.
     
  8. dodong

    dodong >>PACQUIAO Full Member

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    here you go, on EPO

    http://antidopingresearch.org/EPOtestJuly08.pdf

    Historically, the EPO test at the Olympics (2000 to 2006) was done on a pair of urine and blood samples
    collected from the athlete at the same time. The urine test identifies the prohibited substance, therefore it
    is called a direct test. In contrast, the blood test is called an indirect test because it does not show the
    presence of recombinant EPO. Instead, it shows the “footprints” of drug use, in other words its impact on
    multiple lab readings on the blood. The readings are used to calculate a score which indicates whether
    the person is on a prohibited blood booster (“on score”) or recently stopped taking it (“off score”). Since
    2002, EPO tests done by U.S. sports authorities have consisted of only the urine test.
    .................

    click the link to see how it's done.​
     
  9. Uncle Oden

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    If that can be pulled off, fine, but I don't see that as plausible. Minor league ballplayers are the property of the MLB club. It is so much easier to regulate. I'll get into that argument if you want.
     
  10. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    You keep on making this same recycled statement.
    Evidence already suggest that the ammount of blood taken for a PED test, a fighter could take the test and right away walk to the ring for a fight.
    It would not hamper them in any way, because we're talking about a minimal ammount of blood being taken.


    These facts have already been presented and talked about to Manny Pacquiao himself......but he's dead set against the testing that his excuse turned from a physical impairment that blood test would create, to self admitting that it would effect him mentally.

    What kind of an excuse is that, "I dont want blood drawn from me because its going to effect me mentally!":patsch

    I did'nt say that, Pacquiao did!!!!:deal:deal:deal
     
  11. dodong

    dodong >>PACQUIAO Full Member

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    .... and on HGH
    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/2008-07-22-hgh-urine-test_N.htm

    A team of scientists from the USA and Italy say they have developed a urine test that detects human growth hormone. The finding is a potential breakthrough in efforts to find a non-invasive way to screen for the performance-enhancing drug that is banned throughout the athletic world.
    Governing bodies and U.S. pro leagues have long sought a test that doesn't require blood to detect HGH, a synthetic hormone that aids in recovery and bolsters muscle growth. Even with the blood test, no prominent athlete has tested positive for HGH. Former track and field star Marion Jones and some baseball players, including New York Yankees pitcher Andy Pettitte, have admitted using it.
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    I don't think this has been approve by WADA but USADA also hasn't caught any athlete on HGH on their random Olympic style blood testing protocol.
     
  12. DobyZhee

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    its too expensive and it gives companies Balco a job.

    I like the current rules in place. Boxing is a world wide sport, I don't think cheating is prevalent as Floyd says. There's not a lot of money to be made unless you're a big dog, so boxers usually don't have the funds to afford the high end drugs.
     
  13. JASPER

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    There is no logical reason to not before random blood and urine test. I am a fan of both PBF, SSM and Pac. i say pac is 100% wrong and is hurting his credibility!
     
  14. puga_ni_nana

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    i am not essentially speaking in terms of pacquiao here. asafa powell even complains about the amount of blood he was extracted in the beijing olympics. what i am saying is that if you guys wants an olympic style style testing, they must ensure that it would not hassle nor interrupt nor limit a fighters training. they can do it in the olympics cause they are secluded on just one place, how do they do this in professional boxing? would they limit the place where they have to train? would they have to report as soon as USADA call or face get a fail? this issues must be address if you want this kind of stringent test.
     
  15. Uncle Oden

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    how much does it cost? who is paying the bill? Please enlighten us.