Tell me who Ward has beat that is a better win over Pacquiao. Even if you combine Froch,Kessler (headbutts),and Dawson (weight drained) its still not better than marquez victory over Pacquiao. Deal with it.
I'll take the Super 6 win and humiliating Dawson even drained. Pacquiao win was very good but if you think JMM is better p4p than you are stupid or trolling, like seriously a casual would know this. You have a bad p4p formula.
P4p formula= Wins and Losses Consistency Strength of opponent Eye test If Ward and JMM were the same weight ego wins?
Pac was pound for pound #1 until Manny fought Marquez for a third time. None of wards opponents come close to that win. All-time is the summation of their resumes, in which Marquez proves superior. P4P is what you have done recently in your division, where Marquez has also proven superior with his most recent win.
Marquez would beat Ward right now. Ward has not been tested. He has beaten above average supermiddleweights and a drained Dawson. Marquez has fought the very best in the whole sport and beaten Manny Pacquiao who was arguably P4P number 2 or 1 and Barrera. How many top P4P fighters has Ward beat? There is simply no comparison between Ward and Marquez. And what about all-time P4P? Marquez will always be greater than Ward.
Yeah Pacquiao was 3 to me and I have JMM as 4 now but no you can't just forget the Mayweather fight, until Ward loses or there is someone who I believe beats Ward he is 1 or 2, I'm curios where did you have Donaire?