Why Brits wont fight in the USA

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by chimba, Jan 2, 2008.


  1. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    With the exception of Honeyghans mysterious beating of Donald Curry. I really cant remember any significant win.

    Heres some memorable ones

    Turpin Koed by SRR
    Buchanan Koed by Duran
    Ali over Bugner
    Tyson over Bruno member that?
    MAB over Hamed
    Now Hatton

    I didnt include Lewis because he was Canadian

    I mean from their perspective..why fight across the pond when you can be undefeated in the UK. At least in that way there will always be that mystique

    Another point is that Eastern European and Mexicans seem to have no problem fighting here and prove their skills? Wanna know why? There is no money in Mexico and in most of Eastern Europe..
    While Hatton fighting cans can draw 50,000 at Wembley

    I mean Filipinos are coming from halfway across the world to get a chance to fight here

    Whats your thoughts?
     
  2. G_RapPBF

    G_RapPBF Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Europeans are under the delusion that their boxing is just as good as North American boxing. Which is like comparing North American soccer to European soccer. I dont know how that started.
     
  3. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    I cant generalize since there are a number of eastern european and russian fighters out there who are damn good. Its an epidemic of some sorts fro the Brits though. I remember Baryy Mcguigan fighting here and lost to an unknown. Hamed first fight at MSG he got KD 3 times by a B level fighter..it wasnt long til MAB ended his career
     
  4. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    We rock in Women's futbol :deal
     
  5. G_RapPBF

    G_RapPBF Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I dont mean nationality, I mean North American boxing, fights staged in North America, run by North American organizations. Most Eastern Europeans know the big time fights, the big time competition is in North America. Hell Ricky Hatton even realized this. He wants the big fights against De La Hoya and Cotto, he got a taste and wants more.

    Europeans seem to believe that going 40-0 in Denmark is equal to the competition you'd face in Vegas or New York going 35-3-1. I put more stock in the better comp then the 0.
     
  6. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    Actually Id say a a 27-15-2 seasoned fighter in the states is better than some undefeated "prospects" in the UK
     
  7. dan-b

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    What I find more interesting is how amazingly ignorant a lot of Americans are & how some truly believe the whole world revolves around them. I dont actually blame them I think it's just something that is instilled in them from youth. The only reasons I can see for the author starting this thread is to antagonise the Brits into yet more chilidsh mud flinging, the like of which have been going on here for the last few weeks or because he really is arogant enough to believe that America are the centre of the earth.

    I for one am sick of the notion that before a fighter can be deemed great he must have fought in the home of the brave. It is essentially just a venue & not necessarily where all the best fighters are. I actually feel this attitude has hindered the development of boxing in other countries.

    If you look at most popular American sports they are generally played within their own country so I can actually empathise with why they believe all boxing matches should be fought there. Americans are very dismissive of anything they don't understand & with the exception of golf & tennis there are not really any other mainstream sports that they share an interest with the rest of the world.

    I know this will mostly spark expletive filled retorts from unarticulate morons who can express themselves in no other way but I also hope we can, finally, get some sensible discussion going with the more intelligent America contingent on here. I really want to understand why they can see no problem with their top fighters never leaving home soil but why our fighters must travel to them before they get their due.

    Dan.
     
  8. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    You make some good points, and I agree with this more then the "Americans are best" posters who do sound like the stereotypical "Ugly Americans".

    But even you must admit the US IS where you go for fame and fortune. Boxers of MANY COUNTRIES have come to the US for those exact reasons.

    Some fighters have travelled overseas when it made more sense. But those usually are for major fights against established UK fighters who have been proven draws. For the most part, there's no reason to fight anywhere but the US. People from all over come to the US.

    And just so you know, I am not saying the US fighters are the best, just that the US is where the best often go.
     
  9. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I would appreciate a "most" or even a "many" in front of Americans. No point in generalizing.

    I will only say this, and I believe it to be true. For most fighters across the world, the most money can be made in the states. Because of this, most of the top fighters fight here, regardless of their own nationalities. Therefore, I think a majority of the top fighters fight here. So fighting elsewhere your whole career limits the competition you can face, since most of the good fighters migrate to the US for the money. Some don't, become national heroes where they are, and never have to leave for the money. But purely on percentages, you would have to surmise that the competition is lower.

    How many foreign fighters make a living fighting in the UK, Great Britain, Germany, Brazil, etc? Now how many foreign fighters move to the US and make a living fighting here, or come here for extended periods of time to fight here? There is a reason for this.

    This is not to say that most of the best fighters are American....but I think the majority do fight here.

    BTW, the OP is Filipino. I think he was asking an honest question.
     
  10. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    First of all you are partially correct in assessing an Americans state of mind. Yes it is instilled. Maybe it also has something to do with the countrys accomplishments and its contributions to this world in general.

    Your 2nd and 3rd paragraph is solely your opinion. Because IMHO ..since boxing is an international sport and the biggest stage for boxing is in the States(could be taiwan for all I care) you must come there. You look at MMA. Fighters go fight in Japan because many feel like they need to prove themselves there albeit the US has a bigger organization and market. Heck Bisping comes here to the UFC when Cage Rage will suffice in the UK. I wonder why? In Hockey the Soviets use to tour the states and Canada with their Red Army squad to prove who was the best and they passed usually with flying colors.

    Also you mention Amercan sports, BTW Basketball is an international sport, speaking of Golf..dont Amercians visit the UK for the British Open, some like Tiger even wants it the most because he said that its the best field. As for other american sports liek Football and baseball. There is no need to play somewhere else because frankly (Im going to sound real american to you). wed kick everyones ASSES! heck we can play football in easter island for Gods sake whats to prove.

    At your last paragraph, I will ignore the insult ..but why should American fighters leave the states when Roy Jones can face James toney here. He doesnt need a Eubank to seal hes legacy, hes already beaten a fighter greater than the best you can offer. why risk the flight
     
  11. Faetter_BR

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    It's called professional boxing for a reason - people make a living fighting. Hence european fighters who come from countries where you can make a good living wouldn't be as eager to go to the US. Figthers from countries where you can't make a decent living has to take the chance.

    Another factor is the promotors - they make money making shows, not sending their fighters to fight on other peoples shows. Hence they tend to keep their names at home - making them the most money. Take Calzaghe for instanse - Warren makes a whole lot more every time he packs his stadium instead of Calzaghe fighting on an undercard in the US.

    other than that I over all agree with dan-b


    PS - isn't basketball a "american" sport, where the worldchampionships are won be others???

    PPS - womensoccer isn't a sport :D
     
  12. Lance_Uppercut

    Lance_Uppercut ESKIMO Full Member

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    Yes, but players come from all over the World to play in the NBA

    Damn skippy! :good
     
  13. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Women's sports are ok by me. Some of them are more fundementally sound than men. Women's basketball players have higher shooting percentages overall than men (they did a couple of years ago, haven't checked recently) and other women's sports have some very good athletes.

    The world has not seen a full fledged Men's Basketball team in the world championships or the olympics since 1996. If you want to have an honest talk about it, I will certainly fill you in. But long story short, our qualifying teams were usually loaded (tournament of the America's teams, Exhibition teams) then the actual team would be put together and more than half the team would pull out, leaving good players and some replacements, but a mix and matched bunch that never played together before and weren't meant to play together.
     
  14. bizzer07

    bizzer07 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    what a joke of a post, you really think Calzaghe will run alont these same lines, ur on something mate. Calzaghe will easily beat Hopkins inside 8, end of post, its a joke! Lewis isn't Canadian, he was born in london u mug!!
     
  15. bizzer07

    bizzer07 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    nop TKO, that little racist ***** wont have a chance against the speed of Joe, its not hard to see!