Why Brits wont fight in the USA

This is basically what I Was trying to say. I think I took it too far saying that he wasn't fighting 'for' Britain, because I'm sure Lewis had pride in his country But theres just more to it than that!

Something thats really telling, is if you listen to an American interview with Lennox or a Canadian one, then a British interview.. Lennox has a different accent for each interview. With the British interviewer (or anyone European I would assume), his Canadian-British accent is MUCH more pronounced than in the interviews with a Canadian or American interviewer.

 

:yep

 

I don't think people from Brooklyn consider themselves the same as people from Manhattan, or people from Queens. But they all consider themselves New Yorkers. It's a weird dynamic.

 

From what I could dig up Jacksonville is more like 34th

But either way crime isn't something to be proud of

 

For Violent Crimes? Per person? Not the numbers they have been feeding us here in the city.

 

Per person? Is that like per 100,000? What is that?

 

That's it. I know we have the highest murder rate in Florida. Of course, keep in mind that they consider our population just under 800,000. They don't count urban areas that are generally considered part of Jacksonville to most who don't live here (Green Cove Springs, Orange Park, etc). That may or may not effect the numbers.

 

What I am finding is a skewing of statistics (articles claiming this as well, so it's not just me). Like in Florida, Miami actually has a higher homicide rate. Technically. But Miami is like 36 square miles. Jacksonville is 880 square miles, and all of Duval County(and it counts our urban area, and they count this statistically). Duval County (Jacksonville) has a higher homicide rate than Dade Country, where Miami is. Miami technically only has 330,000 people in it, the city. But the actual area considered Miami has more than a million people, and they weren't counting this in the statistics.

 

http://miamifl.areaconnect.com/crime/compare.htm?c1=Miami&s1=FL&c2=jacksonville&s2=FL


That's one of the things I found

 

Right, but that was one of the studies that only considered the very small City of Miami (not it's true size and urban area's) and the whole actual area considered Jacksonville.

Here is one of the one's I have found.

http://www.idcide.com/lists/fl/on-population-2006-violent-crime-rate.htm

 

Maybe not by some of the ignorant minority I have been referring to who think that nothing outside their front doorstep counts. Luckily, those who really appreciate the sport will know exactly what he achieved by unifying the division.

 

The words apples and oranges come to mind. Basketball and baseball are predominantly U.S sports, which are popular and big money over there but are minority through much of the rest of the world. They are team sports and the teams play in a set league at a set home ground, i.e. they don't have the option to go elsewhere. You couldn't get the Chicago Bulls playing in Germany anymore than Manchester United could play their football in New York. For that reason, the sport is based there and players have to go there to play in the games rather than vice-versa. By contrast, I don't recall any boxer who had a set home ground where he played half his season's fixtures. The use of leagues as an analogy is completely irrelevant, boxers don't fight in leagues and they never have done. All boxers have passports, all can fight wherever they want. And, sorry to say, if the champion/recognised top dog is based in Europe, Asia, Aus, wherever, the U.S boys should get their ass on a plane and go try and take his title. Which the vast majority have no problem doing. It is completely ignorant to say "there are more good fighters based here therefore everyone has to come to us". And whilst, as per my previous post, your stereotypical, six-pack swilling, walmart shopping redneck might not recognise what Joe Calzaghe has done, anyone who knows and appreciates the sport will.

Agreed and if you read the post, I never said it did mean everyone thinks that way. Unfortunately, the ignorant "ya'll ain;t nothin til y'all been to Vegas" minority tend to shout loudest.

What is this section on about? It is not a question of circuits in the way that baseball, basketball or even football have a circuit. I doubt if Joe Calzaghe goes around thinking "I must convince people of the strength of the U.K boxing circuit". Like all fighters, he's out to prove his own greatness, pure and simple. He wants to fight Bernard Hopkins because he is a modern great and beating him will go some way towards doing that. It is not a matter of circuits and home-based teams as per these sports. Boxing is a truly international sport with fighters who can go international. If Calzaghe beats Hopkins, it isn't going to make a jot of difference to his legacy whether he does it in Cardiff or in NYC. Same as it wouldn't have made a jot if he ad beaten Kessler in Las Vegas. You judge a fighter on who they beat, not where they fought.[/quote]

Here we go again, circuit, circuit, circuit. If the best fighters in the division are in the U.S and they are above you in the ratings then great, fight them, and if necessary go there to do it. If they're not, then there is no need to go anywhere near. For example, David Haye is the man in the cruiserweight division. He has just knocked out Mormeck in France and is now looking to unify 3/4 of the title with Maccarinelli, in Wales if necessary. Does that mean that his accomplishments will never be valid unless he fights Steve Cunningham in the U.S? Hell, no! Haye is the real champ, sos if they were to fight Cunningham can get his ass on a plane and fight where Haye wants, otherwise it is he that will never be recognised. To be fair to Cunningham, he has done this before and I am sure would have no problem doing so again. But you will get your ignorant redneck minority who will delude themselves into believing that Cunningham is the man simply because he's based in the U.S and Haye aint nothing until he's gone over there to fight. When, in reality, quite the reverse is true!

As I say, if a fighter hasn't fought good competition then fine. Judge him on that competition. But saying stuff like "The US is the home of boxing y'all ain't **** unles you come here" is ignorant and inaccurate.

 

is there such thing as a high profile fight for calzaghe in the states ?

hopkins v calzaghe would take place on ppv with just 1 out of every 3000 americans watching it.

it what way is that high profile ?

way more people would have seen calzaghe v bika or manfredo than would see him v hopkins.

 

yeah, i hear those puerto ricans took a massive beating after they booed the anthem in MSG before mosley-cotto. :roll: