Why Brits wont fight in the USA

Agreed.

 

no. he'll be remembered for beating lacy in manchester

but don't worry, when he beats the snot out of old man river you can fall back on the 'oh he was shot and old 'bandwagon', when will joe take on a live american body in the states?!?!?' etc.

 

As I said it depends where you are. You are right that there is no where in England with as many murders as the worst US cities, and I am glad. But the idea that if fans started fights or booing in most US cities other than Vegas that they would die is a farce.
The fact is that most of the murder rates of somewhere like LA come from the bad areas. In Van Nuys or surrounding suburbs there is simply **** all crime. My friends do not even lock their front door at night and on their road there has not been a house robbed in 15 years.

Anyway the point is that NYC has a per capita murder rate of about 4.8 per 100,000 according to recent stats. London is indeed about 2.1 and in Manchester England it is about 10. Take the worst areas and it is over 100 which is higher than Washington DC, but then take the worst areas of Washington DC and it would be over 300 per capita if not more.

And then compare any of those places to the favellas in Sao Paolo or to the worst districts of Pereira in Colombia and it is a walk in the park.

The key point here is that anyone saying that if Hatton fans had acted as they did in Vegas in NYC or any other big sports arena in the US would have resulted in hundreds of them being killed is talking absolute utter bull****.

 

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One of the most intelligent things anyone has said in the last few pages of this thread.

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The use of leagues is entirely applicable, you just don't like it because it weakens your point. You have an American Boxing league or circuit, with a great deal of international and national talent, in training and in participants. You come and setup shop in America when you want to COMPETE with the elite boxers in the world, again that does not mean only the elite box here, but this is the hardest pool to work your way up to the top in, because there is so much talent, this is not the case in Europe, baring the HW division, that is a fact. As for what the average joe says who cares, I'm sure a great deal of average joe brits believe that Calzaghe has fought more HoF than B-Hop, Roy Jones, and James toney. Doesn't matter because we aren't talking about perception, i thought we are talking about reality.

The point was stop bitching about what people who are ignorant are saying, they are ignorant.

Calzaghe isn't doing it to prove the British boxing circuit is elite, he knows that it isn't. He is trying to measure himself a great boxer in the British circuit, to the best in the American circuit. To solidify where he stands in history. its pretty clear that he knows he needs to beat a legitimate name and great boxer from the American, elite, circuit to prove that he belongs with boxing's elite, so that he will not be recognized as just a star of the British boxing circuit. That is the main point. Nation of origin is not what is being discussed, venue is not being discussed, its the circuit you boxed in.

Ok, David haye is the man, great. he is great because he has fought a lot of people you are correct. He doesn't need to beat cunningham, correct. Like I said its not about fighting a guy from the US, in the US. Understand that first. The point is for the most part the toughest competition to get into the top for all divisions is coming up in the elite American boxing league. I believe I already conceded that you have a case that the Brits might have equal depth for the CW division, but for the most part all sub HW divisions have the most talented competitors fighting in the American circuit.

Again why bring up straw man crap, no one is saying that, but the fact is that the American boxing circuit is more talented than the British boxing circuit. There is a higher level of competition and that is why if you succeed here you are recognized as great everyone, not just here.

 

lets not forget that teh 'original' reason why the U.S is teh home opf boxing and places like MSG garden have this historic legacy is because for the best part of 60 years no-one was allowed to fight for the titles that wasnt American and if on the small chance they got the opportunity they were usually screwed by the mob.

And for those of you old enough to remeber when Robinson beat Turpin in the rematch in New York (as I am) please wtach the fight and remeber in ur mind that Turpin was ahead on points and robinson's corner had been told that if he was in trouble one more time (as he was repeatedly during the fight) that the fight would be stopped the other way. Then watch Turpin cover up and see just how in 'genuine' trouble he seems ?, also remeber thet Turpins style was the ride out the storm on the ropes in a shell (much like PBF does now) , then see who looks the more tired and beaten when the fight is called off and in the post fight interviews, because it isnt Turpin.

P.S. the refere for that fight did subsequently admit to being 'got at' (in his own words) by the mob

 

yes but also note how when against the ropes turpin doesn't fire back at all.

 

ya because its not like they have all the heavyweight belts. this thread could have been titled...why American's won't fight in Britian.

 

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well it's a bit biased saying that.:good

 

that was a beuty :good

 

There is no clear cut, black & white reason why the British are occasionally reluctant to fight in the USA. Those accused of ducking American opponents (such as Joe Calzaghe) are being unfairly treated because certain facts are, apparently, unclear to some. These people have a general dislike for European and UK fighters, so it suits them to keep a narrow mind by ignoring such facts. One fact is many British fighters have fought successfully in the USA, and others have tried but been ducked themselves (again, Calzaghe, when referring to Hopkins pricing himself out, etc).

Other reasons for not fighting in the USA have been stated. IMO, Promoters are to blame most of the time, not the fighter himself. Hating a fighter or talking trash about him without knowing the real reason/s he hasn't fought in your country is a sure sign of low intelligence. Blame Warren before you blame Calzaghe, because this is a man trying to protect his cash cows and not allow them to "take risks" unless it's absolutely necessary.

Some fighters are happy enough to earn a living at home. For them, it isn't always about becoming a megastar. These are good, honest blokes just trying to earn enough money to support their families, and fighting may be the only thing in life they know.

Lennox Lewis is English. There should be no doubt here whatsoever, though I can understand why some Americans try to claim Lewis is Canadian - this is a very obvious attempt to remove any credit the UK gets, because, let's face it, Lewis was a phenomenal fighter and a very decent human being. Listen: you can talk all you want about the USA being the "home of boxing" but actually, you are completely wrong. If it weren't for England you wouldn't even have any boxing because it is from England that the term "boxing" and it's set of rules first came. Essentially, England is the home of boxing. And like it or not, it often takes a UK resident to shake the Americans and even the world scene up. Another shake-up will be coming soon in the form of Joe Calzaghe... like he really needs to prove once again that no American fighter is a serious threat, or ever really was. Call it me a nuthugger if you will (or whatever immature insult is being used on the Internet this week). I call it REALITY. I suggest to some Americans that they try getting used to the fact that you will never have everything your own way. Boxing doesn't belong to you or anyone. If you respect boxing, then acknowledging that England played more than just a major major part in it's existence would be something for you to think about before speaking on it.

 

Excellent post.

 

You English are great with your self-pity. Stop feeling sorry for yourself with the woe is me crap.

British boxing is thinner on talent that US based boxing, period.

No one hates a Brit for staying in his country and racking in the money, its just that its hard to accept that person as being a world class champ if he is not facing the best talent avaiable, which for the most part is found in US based boxing.

 

that is choice,a yank accusing the brits of self pity.