Why Brits wont fight in the USA

doggyland · Jan 3, 2008

Looking beyond the bitterness though and obvious baiting by our American cousins - i would have to agree with some of the points made...American trainers seem to be a step up imo.

S0uthPa111 · Jan 3, 2008

LOL @ the british post

i think this forum made some brits cry... good job thread master
check out them defending their fighters

Observer · Jan 3, 2008

That's one funny thread.

Why single out Brits? How about Germany?

The whole point is, boxers go (or stay) wherever they can make money. Home advantage is often determined by the promoter, not the birthplace of a fighter anyway.

Southpaw Brit · Jan 3, 2008

ThePlugInBabies said:

so being born in the capital of a country and being raised there for a good portion of his life isn't enough for you? regardless of his motivations, he fought as a pro under the british flag. nothing you say will ever change that. it's a pointless and fruitless arguement on your behalf.
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That's right.

:good

djb2009 · Jan 3, 2008

chimba said:

With the exception of Honeyghans mysterious beating of Donald Curry. I really cant remember any significant win.

Heres some memorable ones

Turpin Koed by SRR
Buchanan Koed by Duran
Ali over Bugner
Tyson over Bruno member that?
MAB over Hamed
Now Hatton

I didnt include Lewis because he was Canadian

I mean from their perspective..why fight across the pond when you can be undefeated in the UK. At least in that way there will always be that mystique

Another point is that Eastern European and Mexicans seem to have no problem fighting here and prove their skills? Wanna know why? There is no money in Mexico and in most of Eastern Europe..
While Hatton fighting cans can draw 50,000 at Wembley

I mean Filipinos are coming from halfway across the world to get a chance to fight here

Whats your thoughts?
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Twat Lewis was born in London

Southpaw Brit · Jan 3, 2008

:hey

dan-b said:

First of all I'd like to say it's great to see some sensible debate on here for a change with some well thought out points made by most who have contributed. We will, inevitably, get idiots throwing in pointless one liners in an attempt to spark petty squabbles because they have nothing better to do with their time but may I suggest we ignore those posts?

I think it's best we stay off the subject of Americas general contribution to the world as we don't want this to get political. I will concede that the American stage is the largest one for people to make their mark I just take exception to the arrogance at which that point is often made. I also take exception to the typical "you aint s**t until you've been to the states a** hole" comments that constantly crop up from low brow morons.

I think you misunderstood a few of my points chimba. I was presenting golf & tennis as examples of sports we do share an interest in. Also, you completely misunderstood my point about most of your sports. It's not about where you play them its about what other countries participate in them. It would be no great achievment "kicking our a**es" at sports we dont know how to play would it?

My last paragraph was not a personal attack on anyone it was more of an attempt to warn off the aforementioned idiots from posting their usual nonsense. This is by no means a closed debate & if we come to the conclusion that fighters should indeed need to travel to the states to prove themselves so be it. I just want to try & discuss the roots of why that belief is held by so many.

Dan.
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That's about the most intelligent post on this subject I've read yet. I still don't think fighters have padded records if they don't go to the States, but I do accept that the purses are often the largest there hence the percieved prestige - However, prestige & purses doesn't equate to fighting skills, which the naysayers will find out when Calzaghe spanks Hopkins...

:hey

TFFP · Jan 3, 2008

A few simple questions

How many divisions do Americans rule?

How many people can you get in your venues?

Which fighters are you referring to at the moment?

Matthew W · Jan 3, 2008

kg0208 said:

Explain to me this UK, Britain, England thing? They are all different? Not being funny, but they don't teach us the difference in the states.
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It is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

The UK is therefore England, Scotland, Wales (these three are Great Britain) and Northern Ireland.

Matthew W · Jan 3, 2008

As for the boxing, seven world champions for a country 1/4 the size of the USA cannot be that bad. I would be pretty incredible if the UK produced more good boxers than the USA given the difference in population, and given that boxing is a fringe sport in the UK.

I do agree that, like it or not, the USA is centre stage when it comes to world boxing, and so to get the most global attention you need to fight there. However, those who get the most attention are not necessarily the best boxers out there.

Also, having to fight abroad, especially at the top level, will inevitably put you at a a disadvantage when compared with fighting in your home country, and so the fact that the USA is centre stage would seem to me to give the US fighters a bit of an advantage in the big fights.

teeto · Jan 3, 2008

chimba said:

With the exception of Honeyghans mysterious beating of Donald Curry. I really cant remember any significant win.

Heres some memorable ones

Turpin Koed by SRR
Buchanan Koed by Duran
Ali over Bugner
Tyson over Bruno member that?
MAB over Hamed
Now Hatton

I didnt include Lewis because he was Canadian

I mean from their perspective..why fight across the pond when you can be undefeated in the UK. At least in that way there will always be that mystique

Another point is that Eastern European and Mexicans seem to have no problem fighting here and prove their skills? Wanna know why? There is no money in Mexico and in most of Eastern Europe..
While Hatton fighting cans can draw 50,000 at Wembley

I mean Filipinos are coming from halfway across the world to get a chance to fight here

Whats your thoughts?
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I normally just dont even bother with this USA vs. England BS , i think patriotism in boxing is nonsense , it is not football where you have sports players representing their countries/regions . This is 2 boxers boxing for to win for themselves , all the patriotics have got it wrong . Im simply a boxing fan , obviously i have favorites , but its nothin to do with nationality . Madness .

But when i see someone talking total bul**** , i must speak up .

Tyrpin beat Robinson in England , so the same could be said vice versa on that one. How many fights did Buchanan win in USA before he lost ? Hamed won over there aswell . What about Ted 'Kid' Lewis and Jack 'Kid' Berg ? And Loyd Honeyghan .

It doesnt matter where fighters fight , the better guy will win .

Have you got some kind of chip on your shoulder ?

Dont know if someone else has said this , ive just seen this thread

chimba · Jan 3, 2008

dan-b said:

First of all I'd like to say it's great to see some sensible debate on here for a change with some well thought out points made by most who have contributed. We will, inevitably, get idiots throwing in pointless one liners in an attempt to spark petty squabbles because they have nothing better to do with their time but may I suggest we ignore those posts?

I think it's best we stay off the subject of Americas general contribution to the world as we don't want this to get political. I will concede that the American stage is the largest one for people to make their mark I just take exception to the arrogance at which that point is often made. I also take exception to the typical "you aint s**t until you've been to the states a** hole" comments that constantly crop up from low brow morons.

I think you misunderstood a few of my points chimba. I was presenting golf & tennis as examples of sports we do share an interest in. Also, you completely misunderstood my point about most of your sports. It's not about where you play them its about what other countries participate in them. It would be no great achievment "kicking our a**es" at sports we dont know how to play would it?

My last paragraph was not a personal attack on anyone it was more of an attempt to warn off the aforementioned idiots from posting their usual nonsense. This is by no means a closed debate & if we come to the conclusion that fighters should indeed need to travel to the states to prove themselves so be it. I just want to try & discuss the roots of why that belief is held by so many.

Dan.
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Fair enough, the thread was for fun..Geez people took it so seriously. Notice how I singled out Lewis as Canadian when in fact he is both British and Canadian. Its to get a debate going. Im just doing my part for the Joe and BHop fight.

Thats why I already prefaced Donald Curry losing to Honeyghan...that was a British mugging of my Fave fighter. I also conveniently omitted Alan Minter..great Brit fighter.

Anyway one cannot deny though that there are some sort of comfort fighting in your background. Like I said I cannot fault the brits..they can make just as much in the Isles than they could make here. Its all about the money really

teeto · Jan 3, 2008

chimba said:

Fair enough, the thread was for fun..Geez people took it so seriously. Notice how I singled out Lewis as Canadian when in fact he is both British and Canadian. Its to get a debate going. Im just doing my part for the Joe and BHop fight.

Thats why I already prefaced Donald Curry losing to Honeyghan...that was a British mugging of my Fave fighter. I also conveniently omitted Alan Minter..great Brit fighter.

Anyway one cannot deny though that there are some sort of comfort fighting in your background. Like I said I cannot fault the brits..they can make just as much in the Isles than they could make here. Its all about the money really
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:good :good

Pimp C · Jan 3, 2008

Arranio said:

Thats exactly what it is, they got a beat down on thier own turf.
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No they got away with it because they did it in Las Vegas a tourist city. Had they pulled that **** in New York or in the South they would have gotten beat the **** down.:deal

teeto · Jan 3, 2008

Arranio said:

Its not about Nationality, yet at all boxing events in america they play the national anthem?
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Madness , there is too much patriotism , the only way the tickets will be sold though

Pimp C · Jan 3, 2008

Arranio said:

doubt it, the average Englishman is much more used to a mass brawl than the average american, + you would have been outnumbered in your own stadium anyway! Come to London, do that, one of the biggest tourist places on the planet, the English wouldnt be using that excuse.
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You're out of your ****ing mind. Go to NYC or some of the southern cities and you'll get beat the **** up and shot the **** up as well. You don't have a clue as to what you're talking about.:-(

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