Why Brits wont fight in the USA

turpin beat sugar ray the 1st fight.

lloyd honneyghan kod don curry

lennox was born and is a true east end cockney and hes always introduced in his fights as from london england with the union jack flag fluttering about ,its always there so lennox beat all your american ***** heavys ,then demolished holyfield and tyson!

ken buchanan beat ismael laguna.

 

Duran's American? I thought he was from Panama

 

How often do American boxers fight out side of the United States or for that matter out side of what ever region they are from. How often do boxers from Germany fight outside of Germany? I could name any place in the world that has world class boxers and it is very likely that they do not fight very far from home if they can help it.
There is boxing talent all over the world and it would be great if they would travel to their opoents home sites or netural sites more often but the reality is that just dose not happen.

 

Erm, yes,... it is. When saying the U.S. is "the biggest talent pool" I assume you mean that it has the most world class contenders/champions fighting out of there. Fair enough. But these guys have passports. It is not as though they are incapable of leaving the States. If the champion is based elsewhere then, indeed, it is their responsibility to leave the States to seek their shot. What's more, as in the cases of Brewer, Mitchell, Johnston, Holmes, Andrade, Sheika and countless others over the years, most have no problem with doing it if the money is there. You get the top few who are never going to leave the States as they earn far more there than they could elsewhere. Fair enough. But then this is the same for fighters from other parts of the globe. I'm not just talking Brits, but the rest of Europe, Asian countries, down under etc...

Of course, your south Americans and some Africans are a different kettle of fish as those are traditionally very poor countries and they can earn many times more basing themselves in the nearest convenient big location, which often happens to be the USA.

I am not stating that Americans, in general, look down on anyone, so no need to get defensive. But there are a small (unfortunately quite loud on these boards) minority of arrogant idiots who simply think that anything not on their front doorstep doesn't exist. Phrases such as accusing fighters from other countries of "hiding in whatever country" or calling fighters they haven't seen "euro bums". There are plenty of talented fighters in Europe on the whole, it just seems as though sometimes the attitude from some in the states is "we've never seen them so they can't be any good".

If a fighter's level of competition isn't very good then fine, by all means criticise him for it. But that takes analysis, rather than the tired old "he doesn't fight in the states therefore he can't be any good" route. Let's look at someone like Joe Calzaghe as an example. Bearing in mind that he has been a career super middle, how exactly would his opposition have been better had he fought in the U.S? He has spent the last ten years creaming the best 168lb fighters the US has to offer. The best fighters at 168 at the mo are Kessler (Denmark), Bute (Canada), Mundine (Aus), Froch (UK), Inkin (Russia) and maybe one or two others. Only Lacy is a factor from the U.S. All of these guys prefer to fight at home where possible. Are they all to be automatically written off because they don't fight in the U.S?

David Haye (just to use another Brit) has never fought in the U.S. But he has just knocked out the legit champ in his own backyard to win the belts and is now making a unification fight. Is he "nobody" because he has not fought in the states? Even though most of the decent cruisers out there are not based in that part of the world?

There are certain times when a fighter might have to go to the States for the good of his career. E.g anyone hoping to get anywhere at welter at the mo probably ain't gonna get far without doing so. But to apply this to each and every situation in the way that some stateside do is just stupid. There are a small minority of U.S fans who think that anything which doesn't happen on their front doorstep doesn't count. Luckily, the rest of the world knows better. They might not fight on my doorstep or on my TV screens, but I know what good fighters Ruslan Chagaev, Mikkel Kessler, Lucian Bute, Arthur Abraham, Adrian Diaconu, Michael Katsidis to name just a few are. The same breadth of knowledge from some stateside would not go amiss sometimes I feel. Note, this is not a dig at the vast majority of decent, knowledgeable US boxing fans.

Anyhows, I've said my piece, done for now!

 

That is no bigoted, that is a fact. If you are in the world's most highly acknowledged boxing circuit why should you go elsewhere, those in the weaker circuits should come to you. You can say everything should be fair and equal, but thats not reality. Like in basketball and baseball if you want to play in the most competitive league in the world, it is in the US, you can have high level leagues in Europe and Japan or whereever, but you are not playing in the highest league and you will not be recognized as a world class player until you do, this in no way means everyone in the American circuit is world class and that those in it aren't but again the most competitive circuit in boxing is based in the USA. Thats a fact.

There are highly opinonated people in all walks of life, that doesn't mean everyone thinks that way. I realize a lot of europeans are on this board and may take offense but, I think that is just being overly sensitive.

Yeah he has beaten these people, but if he was so confident in the greatness of the British boxing circuit, why is he now trying to secure fights with greeats in the American boxing circuit. Easy to secure his legacy. Why? Because he knows that he didn not prove himself in the world's most elite boxing circuit, his actions prove so.

The rest of the world knows better? The Heavyweight division is the only division that does not have an American circuit competive talent pool. All other divisions, as I've said before, have a way higher talent level for contenders and the world knows that. Stop trying to down US boxing fans for acknowledging that fact and learn to accept it.

 

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Tell you what, next you come to the U.S. bring as much friends as you have and start tearing up **** on the streets, especially chanting as much anti-US rhetoric as you can. Let's see how fast you live.

Football hooligans in the U.S. will never show their face on the street. They will get their asses beat, and i will put whatever money on a bunch of angry rednecks, hispanics, or blacks over sissy football hooligans any day.

 

Then you aint seen a proper english footie riot,because i was in one years back at a millwall game,and it took all night for hundreds of riot police to force them back,your talking crap mate,both would be bad though,so a bit pointless to fight about.

 

You, my friend, haven't seen a riot in America. There's hardly any riots at all, and the ones that do occur happen for far more solemn reasons.

Football Hooligans in America, rampaging on American streets = dead by dawn.

 

lol at people bragging over who has the best p4p hooligans. asses.

 

Yeah because everywhere in the USA is so dangerous and bad ass. You guys act as if you live in ****ing Somalia. NYC is not dangerous, threatening or even as violent day to day as ****ing London. Stop acting like if someone booed the national anthem in Madison Square Garden they would be dead, because they wouldn't.

Outside of the ghettos in the US, the average city or the average area of somewhere like NYC or LA is not violent, it is not crime ridden and that should be something you are glad about. I have been over there more times than I can count and have family and friends all over the US, including NYC, LA and Phoenix.

Britain is not dangerous and yet there is more casual violence and assaults in Britain per capita than in the US. You are not talking about going to the murder capital of Colombia and disrespecting their culture or wandering around the slums of Papua New Guinea, you are talking about the USA and no **** all would happen in New York like **** all happened when Hamed fought Kelley there and like **** all will happen if Hatton or anyone else goes to fight there.

 

Whatever.

I have experienced both sides. Have you?

Out of everywhere I have lived, the "bad asses" ladder goes like this:
1. Sao Paulo
2. Bogota

- big gap -

3. Rio

- big gap -

4. UK
5. USA

 

What like the hatton fans recently,all killed were they then? ,all i saw was the yanks near them looking away or ignoring them,they did not look to worried to me to be honest.And seriously they let the uk down,we all know that,but thats what there like,they dont give a flying **** about anyone,thats what makes them dangerous,theres hundreds of them,you would need a army to take them on.

 

Or like when the KKK march through a city or town shouting about "nigg**s" you see angry mobs shouting back etc, you don't hear about numerous dead KKK members.
So what on earth makes anyone think that if Hatton fans had booed in NYC all of a sudden the citys people would have commited mass murder?atsch