Why can GSP so easily takedown these great wrestlers?

You're not connecting the dots. What you say is not a fact. It's a very biased opinion VERY likely to hype up the match that was AGAINST a wrestler. Until GSP does qualify for olympics and does decent or beats Kos in wrestling you have no ground to stand other than the biased opinion to hype up the match.

You might as well believe what fighters say prior to the match and push it as a fact.

 

Look man. The only thing that I can't let go is the claim that "There is no way GSP could possibly compete with Kos in wrestling.." Obviously there is no definitive answer either way. But to say strictly based on Kos's wrestling pedigree that NOBODY with such little experience could beat him after only 3 years of training is ridiculous. That was the belief before their fight too. There is no way GSP could take him down, avoid his takedowns or control him on the ground....because KOs has such a brilliant resume in wrestling. No it isn't exactly the same, but everyone was wrong about that. There is absolutely no chance your wrong about this too??? Come on man atsch

 

GSP is the top fighter in WW division but he is not the best grappler. Grappling is a VERY lose term. Again, grappling is grappling, MMA grappling is different. It just is and until you do it yourself for at least several months I do not think you'll understand this.
I'm not saying he GSP can't BECOME a great wrestler maybe as good as Koscheck, im sayin he ISN't at this point in time. He's a WAY better fighter in MMA though.

As regards to BJ Penn earning black belt in 3 years it is VERY exceptional but he did BJJ 24-7 at that point in his life. BJ Penn has PROVED that he's exceptional in BJJ by competing and winning in BJJ tournaments and beating black belts. GSP hasn't done that as of yet. You have no ground.

 

I don't know who's beliefs your talking about. GSP just had a great gameplan that Kos simply didn't expect. Kos thought that GSP is gona play to his strengths(standing) and GSP knew Kos was thinkin that and decided to beat him at his own game cause Kos wouldn't be practicing transition from standing to sprawl/grapple. It just played very well for GSP.

I'm sure GSP could COMPETE with him maybe he's not even gona get pinned but he'll lose by points 100% of the time.

 

HOLY ****ING ****!!!!! atsch atsch atsch atsch atsch I already said I've grappled before.....ALOT! Sorry I didn't say "Best Grappler in an MMA Match" :twisted: Who is a better grappler then him? BJ isn't in the WW division. Hughes said he was, but was proven to be very wrong. Kos certainly isn't. Diego maybe? I doubt Diego could do **** all to GSP on the ground. GSP passes opponents guards, with the exception of Penn, pretty much at will. Kos was on top of him and couldn't do **** to him. Should I go on. NOBODY has outclassed him on the ground, not even close.

Your missing the point again though. He came from a KARATE background. How is he dominating all these wrestlers and BJJ Blackbelts in "MMA Grappling" or on the ground??????

 

Anybody that watches GSP and has followed his career knows that his ground game is just as much a strength as his stand up. Kos was just an arrogant ****ing wreslter, much like some on this thread, and never thought GSP would dare take it to the ground :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl Good game plan? What like what he does in almost every fight. He did it to Trigg and Sherk too! Thats why Kos said he has to work on HIS WRESTLING after the fight.

 

Oooh i see your problem now, do you not understand that getting into someones guard beating the **** out of their face isn't grappling?

 

This is like saying if a fighter goes in to MMA and consistently submits a string BJJ Blackbelts without hurting them first.....I would have no ground to say that he would have a chance to beat them with gi on and no strikes, because he has never competed in a BJJ tournament. Stupid.

 

No, its completely different. Major difference is that theres a lot more of BJJ in MMA match than there is wrestling in MMA match. The major things that I'd say a wrestler can take from wrestling to MMA is gracco roman type stuff for dirty boxing/takedowns(see Couture), takedowns, sprawls and body control. Those things are not even 10% of what wrestling is, well body control is a huge part of wrestling but its a VERY different dynamic from MMA so you can pick and choose only very few skills from that.
Plus, gi BJJ and no gi MMA type BJJ is a BIG difference, and in some cases I would say that yea, its VERY iffy if that guy on a roll(under circumstances you've discribed) would beat those black belts in bjj gi competition.

 

You guys fromCanada??..GSP practices wrestling!!! when he practices with the Canadian Olympic team..they practice "wrestling moves" not wrestling for MMA. If it was in the news in Canada that world class wrestlers are urging GSP to try out..you calling that a LIE!!!. Are saying its just to hype up UFC?? then you guys are unbelievably ignorant. Are you saying Matt Gentrys lying when he say GSP can try out for Canada? Are you also telling me that the wrestling they practice is a hybrid form..nothing to do with Olympic wrestling..so they can appease GSP bwahahahahaha

 

I'm telling you that you have never seen GSP wrestle, ever.

I'm telling you that GSP has been practicing wrestling for a relatively short time, and you haven't seen that either, ever, one time, one single ****ing time.

I'm telling you that wrestling is one of the most competitive sports in the world.

I'm telling I have personally seen, with my own eyes, Koscheck win an NCAA championship in a year not a single person was good enough to beat him.


You people have never seen GSP wrestle, you people have never even seen GSP PRACTICE, yet you are willing to pick him in a sport, that he has never competed in mind you, over somebody who has PROVEN himself in that sport. I can look at Koshchecks record, I can watch his matches, I can see who he beat and who he lost to and look at their records and matches.

And you are basing this on an MMA fight with 3 takedowns split 1 to 2.

You're idiots, pure and ****ing simple. You've never seen this guy play the sport, you've never seen him practice the sport outside of maybe a UFC all-access. Read that slowly to yourself, outloud.

I saw GSP do a backflip, hes a lock for the gold in gymnastics.

Here's for the continued hero worship of GSP, the olympian who youve never seen play his sport.

 

Gsp murders Koscheck in a wrestling match

 

Just like all the other wreslting matches he's won.

 

No, I have never seen GSP wrestle but I sure seen him man handle one of the of best wrestlers ever in Kos. Beat him at his own game plain and simple, and after listeneing to kos after the fight and the shock he was in and him saying he has to work on his ground game....that should tell you something.

 

Did it ever occur to you that maybe GSP isnt interested in wrestling and have not pursued it because there is NO MONEY!!!. You really need proof like a title or a medal to prove someone is better?? So based on your logic if you have a College Degree you are automatically smarter than Bill Gates???. Is that right. AGain until I see Koscheck puts GSP on his back and avoid GSPs takedowns.. I'll keep believing in what my eyes have seen. Based on what Ive seen ..if GSP did train "real" wrestling..then I feel sorry for koscheck