Why Canelo can beat floyd

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  1. Gander Tasco

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    size - he's bigger / heavier / stronger then Floyd by a good margin

    power - very heavy hitter, even at his weight, which is a weightclass above Floyds

    style - canelo against an orthdox fighter is more-or-less a proto-typical boxer, with a very high IQ, a stiff jab, good counter-punching ability, and brutal combinations.

    Floyd is a very smart defensive fighter, but his habits such as keeping his feet planted on defense, getting backed up / staying on the ropes, and being vulnerable to the jab can get him in trouble.


    the stamina / workrate issue with Canelo:

    I don't see canelo having a workrate issue - I think people are looking too much at the Trout fight where Canelo took a different approach. He played the counter puncher in that fight against a difficult / bigger southpaw opponent.

    Against orthodox fighters Canelo fights like a masshup of a boxer - puncher / counter puncher. He stays behind the jab, looks for openings, and explodes with combinations. He's a patient / thinking fighter, but his workrate is solid from what I've seen



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    I can see the bigger, stronger Canelo walking Floyd down behind a stiff jab, and exploding on Floyd's guard with sharp, powerful combinations. I have doubts Floyd can stand up to his punches.

    Look at the success Cotto had on Floyd by using a good jab, mixing up his punches, forcing him to lead / countering, cutting off the ring, and backing Floyd up to the ropes. Canelo has the capability to do all of that, and with a lot more power, better defense, and a great IQ.
     
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  2. rayrobinson

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    No I think Floyds tactics would be to always get off first , keep the bigger fighter off balance , use the jab and keep circling to the right.

    I also dont think enough fighters jab to the body against Canelo and just go for the head shots.

    This would be a 60 / 40 fight in Floyds favour and definately the biggest fighter he has fought . I think Canelo is naturally heavier than Oscar.
     
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  3. Nay_Sayer

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    The only thing Canelo brings to the table that threatens Floyd is size and power. Mayweather has already beaten better boxers...
     
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  4. Slickstar

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    Nelo would no longer be a boxer if he faced an elite boxer. He'd be forced into a puncher
     
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  5. Gander Tasco

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    ? He would be a boxer and puncher against Floyd. It's not necessarily about who's better at what, it's about styles. Floyd has had trouble with pretty typical boxers , ala Cotto and Castillo. Canelo can certainly do anything those guys did , and he has a sizeable weight advantage and dynamite power- and I would argue he's even smarter then those guys.
     
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  6. FilipMNE

    FilipMNE Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Great now we have canelotards, Canelo has chance Floyd is alot smaller and 36, his legs simply are not what they used to be and precisely that is what he would need against Canelo.
    I say CANELOTARDS because people on here are talking about Canelo like he is a great boxer which simply is bull**** i even read on here that he can OUTBOX Floyd :patsch His main advantage is his size and he will have to use it against Floyd cause if he tries boxing with Floyd, Floyd would easily win UD.
     
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  7. Nay_Sayer

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    Lol....

    Canelo isn't even half the fighter Castillo was and Cotto was *never* in the fight.

    Try again...
     
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  8. Gander Tasco

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    He doesn't need to outbox Floyd. A good stiff jab, combinations, pressure.. add in canelo's size / power and high IQ, that's enough to make it a 50/50 fight for me.

    How was Cotto not in the fight? He won 3 or 4 rounds according to most (by the 9th round), and made every single round highly competitive. Get real.
     
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  9. Slickstar

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    Rigondeaux vs Donaire is a perfect example to demonstrate the force them into being a puncher concept.

    Donaire, who is a boxer-puncher, was forced to rely on looking for only big shots the way a puncher would do when he had to face the vastly superior ultra technical boxer Rigo.

    Castillo and Cotto had their success with Floyd through swarming him. They both showed good jabs, but Floyd for the most part got the better of them when they played the "boxing" game. Had they played a box game the whole time with Floyd, he would have had an easy night.
     
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  10. Golden Boy 360

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    All I can think about is that right hand canelo landed that had Trout on ***** street. I don't think Floyd can take that.
     
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  11. Nay_Sayer

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    Cotto was NEVER in the fight. The first four rounds proved that. Floyd had an answer for anything and everything Cotto brought to the table...
     
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  12. FilipMNE

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    I would say it is close to 50/50 due to Floyds age, but you act like he is JMM with his combinations who is the best combination fighter and we know how much he landed, thats why Canelos main advantage is SIZE , i will tell you this much Canelo did not land many shots on Trout and he doesnt have defense even close to Floyd, plus you keep talking about Canelos IQ well its nothing compared to Floyds if you think Canelo will out think Floyd in there you are crazy, Floyd has higher IQ and alot more experience and versatility, and Floyd has 2 inch reach advantage Canelo will have to use his size because he will not win this fight from the outside!!!
     
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  13. Slickstar

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    Trout has a below average chin. See at 1:22

    Floyd at the least has a good chin.
     
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  14. Gander Tasco

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    That was more of a style thing then anything. Donaire was fighting a difficult southpaw / counter puncher. And he always looks for one punch anyway - he's pretty much a pure counter puncher himself. That's not the case with Canelo. He's more of a prototypical boxer / puncher who stays behind a jab and throws 3-4-5 punch combinations. Really no comparison there.

    The reason Canelo threw less punches against Trout was because he took a different approach against a difficult style - a very big southpaw opponent who likes to move. He wouldn't fight that way against floyd, it wouldn't benefit him.
     
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  15. tliang1000

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    He doesn't have the style.
     
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