Why can't Haye work his way up and become a mandatory!?

yup

 

Haye's the cash cow baby he can sell out Wembley stadium masturbating.

 

and you'll buy ringside seats.

 

Like it or not. He doesn't need to.

 

i wouldn't be able to afford it. :-(

 

M

To be honest I think you're being a bit idealistic, unrealistic and perhaps even misplacing the blame here. Let's be realistic for a minute:

You mention respect for the system - but the system itself is a business, a cruel business that has no real respect for the fighters. It chews them up and spits them out and it's down to each man to look out for his own interests by making sensible decisions, because no one else is going to look out for you. After one fight you may very well end up on the scrap heap in a bad way with little to show for it. That's what boxing is, and everybody involved knows this.

The Klitschkos are the champions and dictate the terms that they fight on and have reputations as notoriously hard bargainers. Therefore, if you want to get more than the typical Klitschkos wage (someone else in this thread described it as peanuts) then you have to earn that in one way or another. Haye knew this, just as every other fighter in the world knows this.

Haye got paid what he was paid against Wlad because he marketed himself perfectly for most of his heavyweight career. He worked himself into position to win the WBA belt. He benefited from coming across as charismatic, but in the lead up to that fight he also worked tirelessly to promote it by getting on just about any tv or radioshow he could, he pulled publicity stunts which got the press and public talking, which in turn got people who would not normally watch boxing to talk about the fight. He acted in a way which meant people either wanted to see him victorious or humilated, and would be willing to pay for the priviledge. All of this was a shrewd calculated move to maximise his income and look out for his future.

So, by the time he sat down to negotiate with Wlad he was a 'name', offering the champ a unification fight and a career high payday. This meant he had more bargaining power and could command a far better deal than any of Wlad's previous opponents. There is absolutely no reason why any of Wlad's other opponents could not have taken these kind of measures to maximise their income from a fight with Wlad but few, if any, do. If you was going in the ring with the Champion who many are picking to knock you out, would you rather be fighting for a small amount of money or a massive amount?

Haye was poor against Wlad, but realistically no worse than any of his other opponents in recent years. It was a **** fight for fans and left a bitter taste in the mouth after all the excitement it generated. As with anything, the bigger the anticipation the bigger the disappointment - and as would be expected Haye was vilified. Obviously he retired after the fight.

Now, to a potential Vitali fight:

In retirement Haye maintained that he would only come out of retirement for one fight, Wlad's brother. That may be the case, but he has no say in who Vitali fights, that's Vitali to decide. He is the one holding all the marbles. Yet in Haye's retirement Vitali has stated on numerous occassions that he would like to fight David Haye. He says he feels there is unfinished business and would like to knock him out. Now, many people with their heads screwed on understand that the only reason Vitali would really like to fight David Haye is because it would probably make him more money than a fight against anybody else - afterall, boxing is a business.

So we have a one guy who is in complete control deciding his opponents, repeatedly stating how he would like to fight a guy who is retired and lost his last fight. We know for a fact that K2 have negotiated with (and offered terms to) David Haye. Yet the person getting all the heat from the fans for this appears to be the guy who is retired and at the mercy of the other.

People are saying Haye doesn't deserve it, he should stay retired, he should fight himself in to position before he fights Vitali. That's fine, those points have some merit - but why is David Haye getting the blame for this? I genuinely can't get my head around it. He has stated numerous times that he's not interested in any fight other than Vitali, which is about as honest and open as it gets. Yet Vitali Klitschko is calling him out and offering him a contract - surely if anyone is to blame it should be Vitali, no?

 

Sense......

 

Don't give up your dream, man!

 

I agree with most of what you say but it doesn't make it right and even harder to swallow when it is the likes of David Haye demanding preferential treatment when he has given very little to the sport. Vitali should make his plans clear for sure, however, this doesn't account for the fact that Haye, whilst being honest, has delusional ideas as to what gains credibility within the sport of boxing. He would gain even more respect if he came back, took a warm up against someone able and then went for vit. Instead Haye decides he is worthy any way and prefers to let his mouth get him the fight instead of his fists within a boxing ring.. Maybe i am just too old school in my thoughts but i was brought up to believe that hard work helped to realise your dream. Not bull****.

 

Not old school, it is called common sense.:good

 

I suppose it is common sense but in a world gone mad :good

 

If Vitali fights Haye he is not doing Haye a favour he's doing himself a favour. He will earn far more money than against than any other potential opponent for a fight he's very likely to win.

To answer your original question Haye can fight his way to mandatory it's just he does'nt need to and so wont do it. Also referring to other fighters purses it's not Haye's problem they are big boys and signed the contract they all got exactly what they deserved financially.

Why do you think he should give contenders a chance to make a name? Do you think Barrett or Valuev were trying to help Haye make his name or were they just trying to make as much money as possible.