Why cant Ward move up to LHW like Calzaghe did?

Eubank was a better win than unwell double vision suffering Kessler who had lost to Calzaghe when undefeated.
How do you think Froch was such a better win than say Reid?
Froch won a vacant title against a fighter who did nothing at SMW, Reid beat a world champ away.
Reid beat Cherifi who became a MW world champ beating K Holmes, Reid beat Wharton a top world rated SMW who had a better resume than Dirrell, Pascal at SMW, Johnson at SMW, Abraham at SMW and Reid beat Magee when undefeated who is now WBA int champ, Reid also looked unlucky against Ottke whilst old Froch looked lucky to many against Dirrell and to some against Johnson.
Woodhall had beaten WBC champ Malinga, future WBC SMW champ Catley, Branco who was a top world rated SMW and became a LHW champ, Woodhall beat former WBC champ and world rated Nardiello which is more than what Froch has done at SMW.
You say Sheika wow, but at the time he was a world rated SMW coming off a win over G Johnson who when old and very past his best took Froch to a MD. I would note Johnson also was clearly beaten by the mentioned Branco. Sheika was a better win than Green who was blown out by a fighter in his 40s who had to boil down to make SMW, that Sheika beat when far nearer his prime.
Froch has only won vacant titles, I have shown how Reid and Woodhall had beaten champs and you then have Veit who became a SMW world champ and Eubank who at that time had the best SMW resume going

 

eubank lost both fights to steve collins, who he would have handled rather easily a few years earlier.... but after 12 years and 49 fights , regardless of eubanks age...he was done..done done done...after the fights with collins he fought guys that were 13-2, or had 8 losses, 10 losses...no way should he even be fighting for a title, even the WBO, but eubank being the legend got a shot and was beaten by a 22-0 fighter who had beaten no one at that point... when you lose your last 5 title fights, its an indication of a guy being shot to **** when he was like 40-0 at one point

 

you are seriously crazy. but i actually think you believe your logic, but thats what crazy people tend to do

yes, frochs resume is way better and than robin reids....by a mile

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Robin Reid vs Joe Calzaghe 1999

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Carl Froch vs Andre Ward 2012


we all know who froch beat or fought...most dont know who any of robin reids opponents were because they never went on and did ****.

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10 losses and beats up Reid...2 fights later reid ready for Joe

 

You havent even put down all of Reids resume dummy.

So what have Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Abraham or Johnson done at SMW?
With Reid, Wharton was a solid world class SMW who beat a fighter who went on to become SMW champ and became European SMW champ
Pretaurious had a better resume than Dirrell does now atsch
Well we could say similar with Froch if we put it that way, but lets be a bit more simple than that.
Reid fought prime undefeated B Magee and put him down 4 times on way to a clear decision. Froch was struggling terribly against Magee and only ahead by one point on 2 cards before the stoppage. Thats your real form line
Did you think Reid lost to Ottke?

But ok lets have alook then
Froch beats Pascal who did nothing at all at SMW. NOTHING
Froch beats Taylor who was 1-2 coming in and KOd in his next fight
Froch looks lucky against Dirrell. How would you rate Froch if he wasnt given that decision? And Dirrell didnt have as good a resume as Cherifi. Still you are so desperate you note Cherifi lost to Trinidad when it was years later and he was shot instead of the prime version Reid beat atsch
Look at where the fighters were when the fights happend. You with Cherifi are commenting about him at the end of his career when he was very past his best instead of his prime when Reid beat him
Froch beat Abraham who was coming off a loss and Abraham has a lesser resume than Wharton at SMW. I doubt you know Wharton,
Nardiello best remembered for winning the WBC SMW title
Froch beat Johnson by MD when he was known as just a SMW journeyman previously

Reid beat a SMW champ, Froch never did and Reid looked very unlucky against Ottke. You forget also that Froch was taken to a MD by Johnson who was older and with more losses than Malinga and Johnson had been outboxed by Ottke when prime. Theres another form line

 

Champagne posting once again by ESB stalwart Bailey. Educational posts that come from experience of years of following boxing. I've learnt alot from these posts.

 

Thanks champ :good. It seems alot of these posters didnt know there was a SMW division before Lacy arrived and dont know the fighters. Iceman tried to Boxrec and got himself burnt

 

I would love to see Ward-Dawson. Now that could be a great fight!

 

Ward won the gold medal at LHW.

 

The division isn't any stronger now, what's happened is an American Network set up a tournament with American fighters they could hype up to the nation. This has Americans interested, and even though fighters like Abraham, Johnson, Green, Froch, Taylor or Dirrell aren't great SMW's at all, they seem to be credited and rated highly by Americans. The division isn't any stronger, it's the opposite in fact, the only difference is the coverage the division is receiving in America. (Although I do rate Andre Ward very highly)

Boxrec can't compete with experience, that's why Iceman will get shown up trying to win battles with Boxrec atsch

 

because the LHW champ isn't a 43 year old middleweight?:huh

 

Yeah i dont see the point in beating Dawson at 168. I really dont care for this fight if its gonna be at SMW.

 

:deal

 

Its not stronger at all. Once you remove Bute and Ward there isnt a great deal. Just look at today compared to 05

Back then there was in 2005

1. Calzaghe undefeated world champ (best SMW resume ever)
2. Kessler undefeated world champ (undefeated and not suffering double vision)
3. Lacy undefeated world champ (undefeated with a better resume than most of the current SMWs)
4. Beyer (3 time WBC champ with a better resume than most of the current SMWs)
5. Mundine (2 time WBA champ)
6. Danny Green who became a world rated CW and had a fair SMW resume
7. Siaca (former world champ)
8. Grant (former WBO MW champ)
9. Reid (former world champ, and fighter that looked unlucky against Ottke and who beat Magee when undefeated, who is now WBA int champ)
10. Andrade (undefeated at this time and looked unlucky not to KO Bute years later and beat Steiglitz)

Now today you have

Champ.
Andre Ward whos biggest win is 05 #2 Kessler

1. Bute whos biggest win is who? Maybe Berrio or possibly WBA int champ Magee who Reid #9 in 05 beat years previously when undefeated
2. Froch who has lost to unwell 2005 #2 when unwell and coming off a loss
3. Steiglitz who lost to 2005 #10 Andrade
4. Oousthuizen, who has he beaten thats up there with like some of the 2005 fighters?
5. Bika who is rated so high now by doing what? Beating Manfredo, because I cant think of a bigger win tha he has and Bika lost to 2005 #1 Calzaghe years previously and couldnt beat Soliman at first ask who was clearly beaten on more than one occassion by Mundine 2005 #5
6. Groves, whos biggest win is a MD over 10 and 0 DeGale whos big win was P Smith. groves has only had 14 fights and although doing well in a short career is given a big status for little.
7. G Johnson who was a SMW journeyman who couldnt compete at SMW. Johnson has lost more fights than won at SMW and now with his biggest win of Green coming off a loss and well in his 40s he is a top 10 SMW atsch I could show you the form line of who Johnson lost to and then show you how it compares to 05 but I think you get the point.
8. Dirrell whos biggest win is?? Abraham maybe who cant compete with top SMWs or Oganov possibly. Who has Dirrell beaten for his rating?
9. Abraham. Now it is looking bad. Abraham cant seem to compete with fair SMWs and gets not just beaten but almost shut out, even by Froch who is slow and doesnt have a good workrate. Abrahams big SMW win is Taylor coming off a KO loss
10. Rodriguez. Tell me who he has beaten then?


You would even struggle to say yeah but the fights didnt happen then because they did. Calzaghe beat Lacy and Kessler as well as Reid. Kessler beat Beyer, Mundine and Siaca. Beyer beat Green as did Mundine and Siaca beat Mundine etc.

As you say hype has built it up