Why Cotto and Pavlik will rebound to greatness

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  1. RealIzm

    RealIzm Boxing Junkie banned

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    I've thought about this since Cotto lost and the thought came to me recently after Pavliks defeat. The greatest fighters in history have lost, most more than once. I think losing helps a fighter learn something about himself and instills a renewed vigor and knowledge as to what just went wrong. I think both Pavlik and Cotto fit the mold of fighters that will rebound to reach great heights and dominance.

    Both Cotto and Pavlik will be in some serious wars in the near future, with Cotto rematching Margarito and Pavlik fighting Abraham in the spring.

    I'm predicting that Cotto will exact revenge and win a close decision in a much tougher, bloodier and closer fight than the last.

    I'm also predicting a close UD or late stoppage win for Pavlik over Abraham

    Any thoughts?
     
  2. mexican legend

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    **** off nuthugger. Just messing with you. Yeah, I think all great fighters learn from their mistakes. I think Cotto wont beat Margarito because I think its a very bad matchup for him but I do think Pavlik will beat Abraham. Should be interesting to see how Cotto and Pavlik rebound from this.
     
  3. san rafael

    san rafael 0.00% lemming Full Member

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    It's an interesting thought. The problem for both Pavlik and Cotto, however, is that they each have Achilles heel type issues that have been brought to the surface. It's not just that these guys have lost, but how they lost that will be problems for them in the future. All it will take is the right opponents to exploit these problems.
     
  4. RealIzm

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    Good point San, however many greats have been thoroughly schooled or KTFO before and have bounced back. On that note San EVERY fighter has an achilles heel. Infact there hasnt been one single fighter in history who hasnt had one. Sure some are more subtle than others but it's a universal truth. One of the points I was trying to make is that often times fighters getting beaten the way Cotto and Pavlik were beaten is necessary in learning. Think about it....in an extremely close fight the loser hasnt learned a thing as he feels that he did enough to win. But truly being beaten is a different story all together and a truly different experience in learning as well
     
  5. san rafael

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    Yeah, I can see what you're saying, RI. I do think that both guys will come back with less of their flaws. In the case of Cotto, Pavlik or both; these losses could really be a good thing. They each have great hard wiring, that's for sure. I would hate to face either one of them in their comeback fights! No doubt about that.
     
  6. RealIzm

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    NO ****!!! I have a feeling Rubio is going to get ****ing pummeled....Isnt Cotto coming right back to Margo????
     
  7. san rafael

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    Rubio is a dead man walking. :kayo

    There has been talk of the Margarito rematch right away.. I have no idea what's going on. I saw an interview with Shane at the fight this weekend and he was very one-way-or-the-other about if he was fighting Margarito. I think Mosley has alot to do with what they decide.
     
  8. iceferg

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    I heard Cotto is fighting Michael Jennings next. I would also hope that Paul Williams stays down at this weight for a while he is an exiting fighter. I really thought he was rubbish in the two fights I had seen him in and I was clueless as to how he managed to beat Margarito but he bounced back really well against Quintana and if that is the real Paul Williams then I would really like to see him in a few more fights down at welter before he moves up.
     
  9. RealIzm

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    Well Williams is hopping around and is fighting Verno Phillips for the IBF 154lb title so your wishes are already crushed..Did you see the first fight he had with Quintana? Paul was Quintanas *****
     
  10. Anglosaxon

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    Pavlik is the joke of boxing, him being anything other than average would be an achievement, he clearly doesn't have the skills in his locker Cotto has, this thread is utter tripe as are the opinions prior to mine.
     
  11. RealIzm

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    Wow TITAN I thought you were less biased and hateful. I am abit saddened by the fact that you ignore the main premise of the thread and highlight your hatred for Pavlik. Thanks for the heads up:good
     
  12. mexican legend

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    :rofl :rofl :rofl
     
  13. Shake

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    Losing a close UD might teach you to not take success for granted. Teaches you to do everything you possibly can. Leave it all out there.

    Being caught during a careless moment might teach you not to be careless, as well as humility and respect for the elite level.

    Being utterly destroyed by another man, I'm not sure what that does. I think Pavlik might have learned a bunch and knows now he has some room to improve to deal with slicksters, but Cotto?

    I don't think this loss will benefit him. They're not all Roberto Duran -- it's difficult to shrug off and return with the same vigor.
     
  14. Anglosaxon

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    I admit fully, I do hate Pavlik, I can't stand him, because I can't believe the credit he got as a fighter, and his performnce against Hopkins demonstrated even more to me why I hated him.

    I hate him even more now because of the double standards people use, like '' he got beaten by the best ever LHW, or the best fighter in years in Hopkins'' then they turn around and say '' Joe barely beat a 43 yr old Hopkins'' I wish he had beaten Hopkins now, because I believe Joe would have fought him, and beaten him severely.

    I don't like the hype that surrounded Cotto, but i respect him as a talented fighter, thats the difference.
     
  15. Arriba

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    Cotto is in way better shape than Pavlik is. Cotto got "destroyed" certainly...but to beat Cotto you need to find a fighter with an epic chin, unrelenting pressure, tremendous heart and desire and top flight stamina.

    That's pretty much the only fighter who can beat Cotto....and there's only one guy alive with that at 147.

    Pavlik's problems are revelant to being slow and predictable (and with power that doesn't exactly follow him up in weight). If he stays at 160, there isn't anyone who could possibly trouble him...but if he goes up to 168 or above, there are about 5 guys I could think of off the top of my head who would give him MASSIVE problems.

    Cotto's lose was worse..but his situation isn't.